Nu-13 said:
EricHiggin said:
I'm not one who believes that Switch would be a failure if it doesn't match Wii(U)+DS sales combined, but I would certainly say that's certainly a more direct comparison than comparing Switch+Lite vs PS4+Pro. It's more like the arguments of counting XB games/services on PC with XB consoles. Which if you're going to combine all sales related to products in the Switch family, then why not all in the Xbox family?
I'm not putting Switch or Lite down, I think their success is great. I'm just saying that pointing out they won the year undefeated isn't really an honest point, especially when comparing it to the past where even Nin sales were always separate due to the differing markets. If next year SNY slaps a PS logo on their phones, and ports a couple PS4 games over, do those sales count towards PS4? When those total sales beat Switch sales for at least one month if not more, would that seem honest and fair to take a yearly sweep away from them? I'd say obviously not because a phone is not a console, but a handheld is also not a hybrid or console, which is still up for debate to some.
While this point is mainly moot, then why wasn't Vita combined in the first place? Why does it only make sense to possibly go back and count it now? I thought handheld and console markets weren't separate.
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This is exactly what you are doing and looks terrible. The nintendo switch was the video game system that sold more hardware by far in 2019. This is a plain fact.
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curl-6 said:
EricHiggin said:
I'm not one who believes that Switch would be a failure if it doesn't match Wii(U)+DS sales combined, but I would certainly say that's certainly a more direct comparison than comparing Switch+Lite vs PS4+Pro. It's more like the arguments of counting XB games/services on PC with XB consoles. Which if you're going to combine all sales related to products in the Switch family, then why not all in the Xbox family?
I'm not putting Switch or Lite down, I think their success is great. I'm just saying that pointing out they won the year undefeated isn't really an honest point, especially when comparing it to the past where even Nin sales were always separate due to the differing markets. If next year SNY slaps a PS logo on their phones, and ports a couple PS4 games over, do those sales count towards PS4? When those total sales beat Switch sales for at least one month if not more, would that seem honest and fair to take a yearly sweep away from them? I'd say obviously not because a phone is not a console, but a handheld is also not a hybrid or console, which is still up for debate to some.
While this point is mainly moot, then why wasn't Vita combined in the first place? Why does it only make sense to possibly go back and count it now? I thought handheld and console markets weren't separate.
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Gotta love how what used to be "Wii U + 3DS combined" has now changed to "Wii + DS combined" now that it's clear it is going to pass the former threshold. Gotta keep moving those goalposts so you can downplay the opponent brand's success.
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brute said:
EricHiggin said:
I'm not one who believes that Switch would be a failure if it doesn't match Wii(U)+DS sales combined, but I would certainly say that's certainly a more direct comparison than comparing Switch+Lite vs PS4+Pro. It's more like the arguments of counting XB games/services on PC with XB consoles. Which if you're going to combine all sales related to products in the Switch family, then why not all in the Xbox family?
I'm not putting Switch or Lite down, I think their success is great. I'm just saying that pointing out they won the year undefeated isn't really an honest point, especially when comparing it to the past where even Nin sales were always separate due to the differing markets. If next year SNY slaps a PS logo on their phones, and ports a couple PS4 games over, do those sales count towards PS4? When those total sales beat Switch sales for at least one month if not more, would that seem honest and fair to take a yearly sweep away from them? I'd say obviously not because a phone is not a console, but a handheld is also not a hybrid or console, which is still up for debate to some.
While this point is mainly moot, then why wasn't Vita combined in the first place? Why does it only make sense to possibly go back and count it now? I thought handheld and console markets weren't separate.
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So Switch has to pass Wii+DS sales now?
Does that mean we need to compare PS4 sales to the combined PS2+PSP sales? Both are 2 generations older than PS4 just like Wii and DS are with Switch.
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Who brought up the Wii + DS combined?... Wii(U) counts as both Wii and Wii U btw.
EricHiggin said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Yeah, the "handheld market" isn't really a separate market. They're just gamers like everyone else. It's that kind of silly thinking that leads to people making statements like "Switch is a failure if it doesn't sell as much as the Wii + DS combined". That kind of stuff is just ridiculous.
Plus, if you want to be pedantic about it then one could argue that the PS Vita was essentially a PS4 handheld due to the remote play feature. How many sales exactly did that "add"?
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I'm not one who believes that Switch would be a failure if it doesn't match Wii(U)+DS sales combined, but I would certainly say that's certainly a more direct comparison than comparing Switch+Lite vs PS4+Pro. It's more like the arguments of counting XB games/services on PC with XB consoles. Which if you're going to combine all sales related to products in the Switch family, then why not all in the Xbox family?
I'm not putting Switch or Lite down, I think their success is great. I'm just saying that pointing out they won the year undefeated isn't really an honest point, especially when comparing it to the past where even Nin sales were always separate due to the differing markets. If next year SNY slaps a PS logo on their phones, and ports a couple PS4 games over, do those sales count towards PS4? When those total sales beat Switch sales for at least one month if not more, would that seem honest and fair to take a yearly sweep away from them? I'd say obviously not because a phone is not a console, but a handheld is also not a hybrid or console, which is still up for debate to some.
While this point is mainly moot, then why wasn't Vita combined in the first place? Why does it only make sense to possibly go back and count it now? I thought handheld and console markets weren't separate.
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Would it also be fair to say that Toyota swept Tesla this year when it comes to NA automotive sales?
I mean Toyota basically has a type of vehicle for every need, while Tesla only has a handful that are purely electric. Toyota's been selling trucks now for how long, and Tesla won't be selling their first model for a couple years yet. Toyota has also been around in the auto market much longer than Tesla, but that obviously doesn't matter either.
Better yet, let's just compare all Toyota truck sales to Tesla truck sales. Wait, Tesla doesn't have a truck for sale to directly compete? They are both auto's though correct? Well I guess Toyota sweeps that comparison as well then. Congrats Toyota!
I'm not trying to put down Toyota or Tesla here either. Both are great brands and their success is a good thing. However comparing them like this just makes no sense, and it should be apparent why.
