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Doctor_MG on 31 December 2019
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JRPGfan said:

Thats Qualcomm..... not nvidia..  However that GPU is crowned as the "most effecient graphics core, in the world" (currently).
That wouldnt be a bad place to start, Nintendo could drop nvidia, and go ask Qualcomm to make them a chip for Switch 2.

However
1) Adreno 650 is only 950 Gflops FP32.
2) Its Gtex/sec, ROPs performance, Memory Bandwidth are all like half of a Xbox One's.

^ however thats still impressive as all hell for just ~6watts or so of power consumption from the chip.

They could probably make a chip rated for 15-20watts that could be PS4 level.
Which is nuts, when you consider PS4 was like ~130watts when it released.


I couldnt find any numbers for the Apple A12X.... so meh, no idea.
However doubt useing apple chips would be cheap for nintendo, or make much sense so.... its a non issue.

Oh, I know that Adreno is Qualcomm. I wasn't trying to state it was Nvidia. Honestly, I was purposefully avoiding using Qualcomm at first for a better like for like comparison when discussing the Switch. Also, I'm not suggesting using Apple chips, I'm merely stating the current power capabilities of mobile technology right now. 

Also, I believe you are mistaking the Adreno 650 with the 640. The 640's Gtex is 28.1/s vs Xbox One's 40.9/s, Gpixel fill is 9.4/s vs 13.65/s, and memory band 34.13 GB/s vs 68.22 GB/s. 640 is 900-1037 GFLOPS vs 1.3 TFLOPS on Xbox One. The 650 supposedly offers 25% improved performance. If we match that across the board it's 11.75 Gpixel/s, 35.12Gtex/s, (memory band we know is 44.0GB/s), and ~1.2TFLOPS. 

JRPGfan said:

Nintendo never uses bleeding edge technology.
So now... I think 4 years from now, what you ll see in a Switch 2, is the best of whats possible "now".

Even if nintendo did go for the newest new thing, I doubt what you believe "ps4pro" level, is possible even then.
So No technology isnt going to magically start improveing at rates we havent seen before, just to make that possible.

Basically PS4pro level is wishfull thinking, that wont happend.
Unless Switch 2, isnt a handheld anymore.

If nintendo goes back to just a console sitting under the tv, it could be a 100+ watt useing monster, that could be 9-12 Tflops too.
If Nintendo wants to keep the Switch concept, and have it use like 8-10watts in handheld mode, and ~20-25 docked, then thats just not possible no.

The difference between what was argued is what was POSSIBLE not what will actually happen. In a previous comment I already identified that Nintendo isn't an industry leader in power performance, and haven't been for 19 years. I'm not expecting PS4 Pro level performance, I'm merely stating that in four years it might be technologically possible. However, you are erroneous to assume that the max we would receive would be a console only as capable as a base PS4 in four years while docked. The Adreno 865 is capable of 2.1 TFLOPS and the device it's on consumes around 65W.