Shadow1980 said:
If you just don't like her, that's fine. My problem is with the hyperbole coming from some people. They confuse "Character I don't like" or "character I think is poorly written" with "Mary Sue" if the character is powerful or displays any sort of competence. Being powerful doesn't make a character a Mary Sue. Neither does being skilled, especially if the skills are not unusual and can be easily justified in-story. The term Mary Sue is meant to apply to characters, almost always self-inserts/"author avatars," who are idealized to an absurd degree and are nominally flawless. It originated from a parody of self-insert Star Trek fanfiction from the early 70s. But in today's internet culture the term just gets abused.
The thing is, Rotten Tomatoes has admitted that TLJ was subject to review bombing after the fiasco that was the review-bombing of Captain Marvel and RT's subsequent attempts to counter review bombing. Review bombing has always existed as a form of protest, most frequently with video games. Maybe large enough groups of people don't like a particular series (Call of Duty always gets this treatment on Metacritic; usually decent reviews from critics but destroyed by vocal detractors in the audience) or they don't approve of something the publisher did, like adding loot boxes to a game or not porting a game to their platform of choice. In today's internet culture wars, it's also become a venue for bad-faith actors to attempt to sabotage works they don't like for political reasons. While there are no doubt people who just don't like The Last Jedi or Captain Marvel or the new Watchmen series on a purely artistic basis or because it doesn't meet their preferences as fans, there are far too many people out there giving lowest-possible scores and leaving commentary complaining about "SJW propaganda, "feminist agendas," "forced diversity," and the like. In fact, I would think people would be far more motivated to leave negative reviews for political reasons than for non-political reasons. Audiences liking movies that most critics thought were average to bad isn't anything unusual (and as I've said before there's nothing wrong with treating a bad movie as just dumb fun; there's a reason "so bad it's good" is a concept that exists). But it's much rarer for movies that were loved by critics and popular with general audiences to get severely panned at places that allow user reviews, and in recent years it seems like it's increasingly due to political reasons and not the artistic merits of the work in question. In certain circumstances, it pays to be skeptical of audience review scores, especially when there's clear evidence of review bombing a popular and critically lauded work, and doubly so if there are significant amounts of people angry for political reasons. The aggregate audience score is extremely unlikely to be an objective assessment of the actual artistic merits of the work in question, while the professional critics' score is more likely to give a better picture of how good the film is. As with liking bad films, not liking a good film is normal. Not everything clicks with everyone. I know people who legitimately are put off by entire genres, like horror or sci-fi. While there is no accounting for taste, there is accounting for people acting in bad faith. |
Bolded:The thing is that trash article from The Verge (As expected,similar trash articles appeared on polygon like usual as journalists fail at being professional and act as halfbaked activists)is about nothing and tells us Rotten Tomatoes did not admit that. The only thing happening within that article is that blogger playing with words.Those people live in bubble's and everyone with critique to them or their ideology is a "hater" or "alt righter" in their minds.
Oh look,a quote about what a rep from Rotten Tomatoes is saying about it:
“For star wars the last jedi we have seen an uptick in people posting written user reviews, as fans are very passionate about this movie and the franchise,” a Rotten Tomatoes rep said, but the number of written reviews being posted by fans is comparable to 2015’s “Star Wars: The Force Awakens.”
“The authenticity of our critic and user scores is very important to Rotten Tomatoes and as a course of regular business, we have a team of security, network, social and database experts who closely monitor our platforms,” the rep added.
(Can you find an article on The Verge about that one?)
That is also what i said in my previous post(number of ratings compared to previous movie),really take your time and try to read some user reviews for yourself and you will see a lot of reasonable reviews not by haters but people talking with a critical approach.
Second bolded: You focus too much on people thinking it was bad because of the feminism,sjw,diversity because most of all people disliked it for just being a badly put together movie,visually impressive and it has a decent casting but eh it does kinda end there?The right kind of feminism it would have liked is actually giving the female actors better screentime like Gwendoline Christie she can be so amazing and did not get the chance,what a waste of potential.
IMO It just in itself is a flawed movie outside of all the political bs.
Last edited by Immersiveunreality - on 03 November 2019
