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TheMisterManGuy said:
Soundwave said:

If you're going to put in the arbitrary stipulation of "you can't count Rare" for whatever reason, then things like Retro Studios shouldn't be counted for the Wii. 

Super Mario 64

Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Zelda: Majora's Mask

Star Fox 64

Animal Forest (Crossing)

Pokemon Snap

Super Smash Bros. 

F-Zero X

Wave Race 64

Pilotwings 64

Mario Kart 64

Yoshi's Story

Mario Tennis

Mario Golf

Paper Mario

Sin & Punishment

Kirby 64

1080 Snowboarding

That list actually proves my point. Rare doesn't count because they actually self-published most of their N64 catalog. It's not like Retro, which is not only had Nintendo publish all their games directly, but is also a wholly owned subsidiary of Nintendo. It's not even like Intelligent Systems, where all their games are property of Nintendo. There's a reason why 90% of Rare's IP now belongs to Microsoft.

Getting back on topic, most of that list is Mario and Mario spin-offs, or cute mascot platformers. With 2 sequels to SNES games, a Snowboarding game, and one truly unique game with Sin & Punishement, Animal Crossing is more well known as a GameCube game, as it was the west's first introduction to the series, so I'm also not counting it.

Rare should count, Nintendo financed basically all their games during that time and marketed all of them. They were a 2nd party studio for all intents and purposes. Nintendo did btw publish Blast Corps, Killer Instinct Gold, GoldenEye 007, Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo-Tooie, Mickey Speedway USA, Donkey Kong 64, the deal with MS had nothing to do with Nintendo publishing certain games or not. 

The N64 wouldn't have sold 2x better if Nintendo published some weird niche "unique" games, the problem was not the 1st/2nd party output which quite frankly was spectacular and arguably better than GameCube or Wii. The problem was the cartridge only solution cut the legs off the system before it ever had a chance. 

Take all the 3rd party support from the NES or SNES and give it basically all to Sega and the Master System and Genesis beat the NES and SNES and I doubt either the NES or SNES sells even 33 million units that the N64 got to. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 17 October 2019