Why can't Dems presidential hopefuls pull this much people for any of their rallys? <20,000+

[EricHiggin]

the-pi-guy said:

EricHiggin said:

Go ahead and abolish the EC. No more EC means Democratic Presidency going forward period. All it will take is 8 years of further left Democratic Presidency, which wouldn't be out of the question, with another 4-8 following that, and you can basically guarantee the red states that aren't getting their way because they have no chance, will break off. What you likely end up with is a new Country being formed right down the center of America. A Country who is a roadblock between the east and west, has most of the food, and most of the guns. It won't take long after this for things to get worked out and the EC put back in place, in order for the country to become one again. That depends on how much the coastal states are willing to compromise, because after pushing the central red states to go to all this trouble, they aren't just going to come back together without turning back the clock to where the country stood when the EC was last in place.

I like how your whole argument against the electoral college is that if red states don't have an advantage, then red states are going to basically throw a tantrum.  

A few problems:

-There aren't very many super red or blue states that would be leaping all over secession.  Most states are purple.  

-The US has a lot of guns, but most of them are owned by a small percentage of the population.

-Just because people have guns, doesn't mean they are going to be using them. 

-You're ignoring how other countries would react.  How do you think Canada, Mexico, Europe, China, Japan, etc would react?  Whose side do you think they'd be on, even if every part of your hypothetical happened?  

-Blue states tend to fund red states.  If the states were to separate, the red states would be in major trouble.  Blue states would start doing better economically.  

Red states never having a chance at electing a Conservative President again equates to red states not having an advantage to you?

-If you look at America in general the central portion of the country is red, and no, that does not mean they all would immediately leave and join together, but it would be a smart move to do it together and pre planned for many reasons. Even if it took a few larger more impactful states to do so, others would follow quickly in this situation.

-Owned by the red states? You think if a bunch of states separated that they would give all of their military weaponry to Washington? The people in those states paid it's fair share for it's portion, just like the roads.

-Who said they planned on using them other than to defend themselves and their newly found Country?

-Well for any countries who rely on food sourced from America, it would matter quite a bit, and when the prices went way up, they wouldn't be happy, and would have the coastal country to blame as well. Otherwise what are they going to do, tell those central red states they can't leave and to just keeping fighting an unwinnable political battle? Sounds kinda like Brexit, no?

-When the red states have banded together and because they control a tonne of the local food supply, they decide to up their prices 10X let's say. The coastal country now has to pay that until they can bring in enough outside food, if they can. When those outside sources find out the food in coastal America now costs 10X as much, they will jack up their prices too, so those coastal states will now be paying 5X or more for what poorer, lower quality food they can get their hands on. How well is your economy going to do if your people are hungry, unhealthy, or fed and healthy but much poorer because of it? Not to mention things like if the east and west can truly be geographically split, then the central country can cause a major headache in terms of travel for the coastal country in many ways.