Hypocrisy on Abortion?

[EricHiggin]

Pemalite said:

How can you assert that when you don't know the details of every incident? Unless we know the situation, we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions.

They aren't being let off any hook, they need to live with the fact they aborted a child for the rest of their life.

Sounds like a contract would take care of that problem.

In terms of killing something they are. Everyone in their own way lives and deals with plenty of mental dilemma's and the negative consequences, and that's been the norm since humans have existed.

Pemalite said:

I am a road crash technician, so this is right up my alley.
What you describe isn't always the case.

Here we have mandatory insurance for bodily injury, not vehicles, you need to buy your own 3rd party insurance. - In the event of an accident, if you are at fault, then the other participant can claim against your insurance, if you don't have any, then they claim against their own insurance, if they don't have it either, then tough luck.

And you won't loose your license if you have to many accidents either. - Remember, Mad Max was made here. ;)

Gotta love it when someone breaks out the saucepan... loosen the belt because supper will be caught and cooked before the sands end time.

Pemalite said:

Divorce process exists for a reason. People feelings in the matter are ultimately irrelevant, it doesn't change the process or outcome.

People's feelings when it comes to marriage, divorce or even life and death, are irrelevant?

Pemalite said:

True, but there is a reason why there is an age cut-off point where you are allowed to make decisions that are potentially life-altering, because it's assumed that the individual has enough life experience to make an informed choice.

But if you are all about children making adult choices... Why don't you have children running your country?

I don't disagree that the older you get the wiser you typically become in general. I'm arguing that if your decision making process involves others, it would be wise to seriously take into account the decision making process of people older and likely wiser than yourself, especially in terms of life and death. Corporations typically have multiple board members, and some many members, to make decisions that impact their employee's job, as well as the public and however they interact with them. To argue a life should come down to just one persons decision without more defined requirements doesn't seem like an 'adult' decision to begin with. It's a reason why a jury exists in certain types of court cases.

We do, JT. Some say or imply America's DJT is as well...

Pemalite said:

The Earth is not a biological construct. Faith is believe without evidence, something I cannot adhere to.

The Earth doesn't give a shit if all life lives or dies, it will continue to exist either way.

No? Where did we come from? Scientifically and/or Religiously. Even then, God used clay to mold us so.

Some people don't give a sh*t about anything either, but tossing partially made products in the garbage will get you fired unless you have a damn good reason why you did so. If you run your own solo business like that, it will leave you bankrupt and living on the street, or wilderness, questioning and fighting for your life.

Pemalite said:

The line between manslaughter and murder are often blurred, no need to play into semantics.

The law is the law. - If there is contention on a point in the law, there is a specific process to be followed and to challenge, no point in playing into your hypothetical scenario which will ultimately change nothing.

Well understanding the scenario is important when analyzing it and drawing conclusions.

If you deem a certain law, or point within a law to be unjust, is there ever a point in time where that law becomes just, even after multiple failed attempts to challenge it? The point of the law being to redress wrongs, also taking into account nothing or no one is perfect of course.

Pemalite said:

It doesn't need full autonomous control, making this argument entirely redundant.

Neither does the husband.

Pemalite said:

That is between the mother and father to decide and the legal process to figure out.

Either way, what another couple does isn't my business.

You're free to care less about whether or not the tree makes a sound.

Pemalite said:

Many countries have or had laws that restricted procreation, China for example.

And no, that law cannot be justified, because you cannot predict a future event, you can only base an action on the information you have at the time and not some far-fetched hypothetical future scenario.

While I'm not big on restrictions, some are certainly necessary in a proper functioning society, so partially restricting procreation makes more sense than stopping it's fulfillment once started. They should have responsibly tackled the problem much sooner and never had to deal with implementing the law in the first place.

The reason being because life is extremely important? The most important some would say?

Pemalite said:

Paramedics are trained differently to other first response agencies.
And as an Aged Carer... I am all for Euthanasia. I have seen things that would put hair on a Paramedics chest.

But if I am on a job, doesn't matter how bloody, how gruesome, I will still work my ass off to keep that individual alive.

There was a job where a woman fell of a very tall cliff, broke her collar, hip, arm... And she set off an EPIRB. - I was the first person down the cliff and for 9 hours I tried to keep her alive, keep her comfortable... And despite the fact she was in excruciating pain, I did my job. - Made her as comfortable as possible by holding her, regardless if she was bleeding out on me.

Sadly because I am in one of the most remote places on Earth, it took that long for a chopper to get there and take her away. She didn't survive, I didn't loose any sleep over it... But if Euthanasia was legal and she asked for it, you bet I would have considered it knowing that the chopper was so far away and she had no chance of survival.

It would have been humane.

The worst thing she ever described to me, which I can't forget because it had to do with my career as well, was attending to an electrical shock and burn victim at a factory substation. Had a few fingers and a toe blown off and was burned up about as bad as it get's. She said you could clearly see the path that was taken through the body, from left finger tips diagonally to right toes. He died as they were pulling into emerg. Just thinking about it makes my skin crawl. My job was never the same after hearing that.

Again I look to responsibility. I became much more safety conscious than I already was, but would not expect the system to allow me to end my own life, and if it came down to being unconscious and having someone else choose for me, it won't be just one person who decides, and it certainly includes people I find logical and not just people who care about me.

Pemalite said:

If the USA attacked Australia, China would be the counter. Simple as that.

Maybe wait at least 20 years before giving them a reason to do so then, if ever.

Pemalite said:

The USA just doesn't seem as "impressive" as it used to be, it's influence is on the decline.
I think partly that is because of trump, he more like comedic relief in the political sphere on the world stage.

The world is catching up because of the peace America has helped to keep worldwide (minus their mistakes here and there). This is where America gives Canada a pat on the back when no one is looking. It also has led to worldwide communication done in an easy and rapid fashion, solving problems before they get out of hand.

Pemalite said:

Only delaying the inevitable. The world will continue to do trade with China, especially as China is trading in Oil now.

The same could be said about life, or human life more specifically. China isn't guaranteed or immune either.

Pemalite said:

China's manufacturing is it's biggest advantage... They can mass produce everything.

And because of it's massive population will always have low-paid wages to take advantage of.

Not near enough of an advantage if you can't also outperform the competition when it comes to quality and technological advances. It's a solid base though.

When countries continue to prosper over time, the birth rate eventually declines and they tend to automate. How many people way back in America thought there would always be plenty of slaves? Good thing that got solved and it's being implemented worldwide, slowly but surely.