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SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

The less drugs that enter America, the less money they need to spend on crime, health, etc, and the less money that enters Mexico. Less Mexican's being able to constantly cross the border, working in America without paying taxes, and bringing it back to Mexico, that also means more jobs for American's who can be taxed, leading to less poverty, less spending on crime, heath, etc. Many less people getting over the wall means less border spending, crime, etc, plus a bunch of people stuck in Mexico and how many are really going to go back to where they came from, causing many problems which will surely mean money spent that wouldn't be otherwise for Mexico. That's just a small portion of all the many ways Mexico would pay for it. I don't know why you seem to want direct examples as I clearly stated earlier that it would be indirect. 

Oh, so you're whole "pay for the wall" idea is predicated on the wall doing things that the wall won't do. 

I mean do you want a list of all the experts explaining why what you say won't happen too?

Actually, let's go back a bit.  You are in Canada (according to your profile page) so I'm curious where you get your news from?  Canadian sources?  US cable news?  BBC?  Fox?  Some mixture thereof?  I'm only asking because many of your ideas are in alignment with certain news organizations that have long since been debunked by the experts on the subject at hand.  And if your news sources are limited to those aligned with your ideas, then you would not yet have been exposed to the actual data, facts, figures and expertise that has proven those views to be...outdated.

For example, 90-95% of the illegal drug trade comes across the border at points of entry....not in the middle of the desert.  And the 5-10% that does come across in the middle of the desert would easily be diverted to the points of entry or they will use alternative means (short boat trips around the border, drones or tunnels).

Illegal immigration?  Down at levels not seen since the 70's.

If you really wanted to crack down in illegal immigration, look to overstayed Visas from Asia.  They now make up a greater percentage of illegal immigrants than Mexicans do.

And where do you get this notion that Mexicans are crossing the border every day, working in the US, not paying taxes and bring the money back into Mexico?
1. It can't be very many unless it's near a point of entry which requires a work Visa.
2. Any paid employee in the US must pay taxes.  Both directly and through their employer.  Unless their employer is breaking the law but I don't see you bugging about that.
3. Mexico passed laws in 2010 making it very hard to use US Dollars in Mexico.  Limitations on exchanges per person, per day and per month, documentation of acquisition required, many places no longer take US Dollars at all or limit the transactions to less than $100.

Then why do American's build walls within their own country if walls won't do what a wall is supposed to do? We only get a single Canadian news channel and they don't talk all that much about American politics, but when they do, they just repeat whatever has been said by the lefty American MSM, like CNN. I know because when I see American political news I check various sources on both sides of the net, plus what's being said on both sides on YouTube where they go more in depth, and make up my mind, based on what makes the most sense. There are plenty of times both sides give the facts on a topic, and yet somehow the facts are rarely the same even if their talking are about the same thing. I'm not sure how that's possible if they are in fact, fact's.

Experts? I used to work for a specialized company, and we were well known as experts, and after working with some of the competition as well, I can assure you, while we were some of the best at what we did, at best, the oldest vet of the company was worthy of that title themselves, but nobody else I had ever worked with came close. As a sizable group working on a site, we could be considered experts with all of our knowledge and abilities pooled together as one, but not individually. We also weren't always right and didn't always make the best decisions either. We at times made decisions that benefited the company as well instead of doing what was best for the customer. Expert does not mean perfection. The word expert has lost it's true meaning, because most who hold it are anything but, yet claim to be and are followed blindly. When I hear the word expert today, all I hear is a marketing PR buzzword. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FIllegal%20Immigration

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/crossing-the-border-statistics.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FIllegal%20Immigration