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curl-6 on 14 February 2019
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DonFerrari said:

curl-6 said:

Those platforms, like PS3, were all unsuccessful, yes.

"B-but other divisions"/"But they knew they would lose money" are ultimately moot points. A significant factor in Wii U failing as hard as it did was Nintendo  prioritizing the 3DS division above it, doesn't change the fact Wii U was a failure. At the end of the day, PS3 still lost billions. PS3 still gutted Sony's console marketshare. PS3 still lost the sales war. PS3 was therefore not a successful product.

Unsuccessful or flops?

Not moot points, if WiiU HW was made that way to support other ventures of Nintendo then it could be used as justification, but they focusing on 3DS (which also lost 50% of the sales, so a failure as well right?) wouldn't be an excuse. I didn't say Sony focused on Vaio, TV or any other department and thus dropped the ball on PS3, I said that because of other department strategy PS3 was used to push that even at financial cost on that individual department. We do know that it didn't pay on the other departments and that the strategy ended up not being good. But it wasn't by a mistake or overlook that they forgot how to make the sum of the cost of Cell and BD when putting the price. They said and knew from start that PS3 would cost about 800 and retail for 499 base and 599 with bigger HDD and they also know more or less how much SW they would sell on each HW, so they wouldn't recoup that money lost on the initial run on the SW sold. Sure if PS3 had sold more it would lose even more money, but could also drop the cost faster (we don't know the shift though), and perhaps if they hit 150M HW they could had proffited on PS3 (but looking at the money lost on 85M, versus the money made on the 100M PS1 and 160M PS2, even if they had reached 150M I think they would still had lost money).

Unsuccessful. I never used the phrase "flop" in any of my posts so not sure why you're fixating on it. Please stop putting words in people's mouths.

You can spin Sony's company-wide decisions as much as you like but none of that changes the fact that PS3 lost a massive amount of money and marketshare and was outsold.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 14 February 2019