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Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

You're still making an overall quantity argument. It doesn't really matter if there was 150 indie games that came out on the Switch that sold less than 500K each and now this year there are 200. If you want to get all technical and say "see the number is higher, therefore support is increasing", then that's fine, but it doesn't mean anything to me. What I'm looking for is an increase quantity of titles that actually push people to buy a console. Those numbers don't appear to be increasing.

"Excited for Dark Souls" doesn't mean "I don't have a Switch and I'm willing to buy one because it has portable Dark Souls". You might not have any issue equating the two, but they're not the same at all. And if third party titles aren't crucial for Nintendo, then Nintendo is going to have difficulty going, as their lineup for this year is looking rather sparse. That's why it's important to have system-selling third party support - to sell systems when your system-selling first party support is in development. Like Kingdom Hearts 3. I bet that pushed some consoles, especially in Japan.  Do you think a port of a PS2 game that was then remastered and Ported to PS4 last year is going to have that same impact? Because I don't.

As for that April lists - six games, four of which are old ports. You're proving my point man. That fact that this list is "much stronger than last year" doesn't mean the Switch has "good third party support" it means it's better than the terrible state it was in last year. Wake me up when the Switch gets a third party game that actually moves consoles that isn't a port. Until then we can stick a fork in this conversation - it's done.

I was talking about general 3rd party support, not only about system seller games, but yes we will get more games like ones I mentioned (bigger, stronger games that makes Switch lineup more diverse and apealing).

Thats not what I said, I was very clear, again, you have people that had some interest in Switch and some of those games push them to buy Switch, Dark Souls and espacily Diablo 3 are very good examples. But fact is that 3rd party games are not crucial for Nintendo, sales of Switch proves that, espacily in 1st year of Switch where you had only only few 3rd party games. Actualy, this year just from currently confirmed Nintendo games and exclusives look stronger than 2018. was, and offcourse we will have more announcements that will be part of 2019. lineup because we are at beggining of February.

Again, I was very clear, "I dont saying its great 3rd party support, but it is good 3rd party support for Nintendo platform and that 3rd party support is incrasing". Now you keep moving your goal post, remember, I reply you because you wrote that 3rd party is not incrasing, and thats clearly not true.

I was talking about the meaningful third party support. Do you realize how many hundreds of third party games the Wii had made for it that was called "shovelware"? The Wii had poor third party support despite all that shovelware. So for all practical purposes its about quantity of quality titles. That's what I'm focusing on. It doesn't matter if the Switch has two dozen first party games coming out every month it doesn't actually make the platform more attractive to the average prospective buyer in a meaningful way.

You still don't seem to get that Dask Souls and Diablo 3 are two third party games in two years that you keep bringing up as "great system selling games" when the fans of those games have been able to play those games on multiple platforms, multiple times for years and years, because again, they're are ports of games that are several years old. Look I get that as a Nintendo fan, if you do the vast majority of your gaming on a Nintendo platform,  this might be a bigger deal to you because you haven't actually had the opportunity to play these games before.  But you need to understand that Nintendo fans that only game on Nintendo hardware are the only people that haven't had access to these games for years. SO again, the fact that you bring these titles ups is indication that third party support on the Switch actually isn't all that good. Last's years third party support was poor at best. This years third party support from announced titles is still poor but slightly less poor. Let me put it to you this way - going from a 30% grade in course to a 40% is an improvement, but it's still a failing grade.

See that's the difference between me and you. You're holding Nintendo to a different standard. It has solid third party support "for Nintendo", but for any other platform, it would widely be considered poor. The vita is a prime example of this - it's third party support is actually kinda similar to the Switch, yet it was vastly panned as having little meaningful third party support, as most of it's third party titles catered to niche audiences that weren't expected to sell that high. Yet, here you are giving Nintendo a free pass, and pretending that because the Switch is getting better third party support than Nintendo systems have for years, it's going to lead to more Switch sales, when in actual fact the gap is still so large that the Switch's third party support is still a factor attracting people to platforms other than the Switch. It's simply not good enough if Nintendo wants to keep its sales momentum while it's first party studios work on their next batch of titles, and to be frank, it's not even really close to being enough.