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potato_hamster on 05 February 2019
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Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:


Who are these "some people" that this is a "game changer" for? If those "some people" are "people who already own a Nintendo Switch" then it really doesn't matter is it.

It's not a long list because it's a Nintendo console that doesn't have very good third party support. You can look at these handful of titles, most of which haven't sold amazing, and old ports and think "this is great third party support", but I don't, and more importantly, I don't think a potential Switch buyer looks at games like Fortnite, Diablo 3, Skyrim, etc come out for Switch, and if they're not already inclined to buy one, they're not going to buy one now for the likes of MK 11. Sure, maybe there will be a bunch more old ports coming out of the wood work and appearing on Switch because it can't be that expensive to do so, but I don't think if say, EA announces the Mass Effect trilogy, or Dragon's Age: Inquisition for the Switch I don't think that's going to make a measurable impact in Switch sales for the year.

As for your lists, I have to take your word that those lists are accurate. Based on your track record, I'm not willing to do that. But even assuming it's true, I just don't think there are millions of prospective buyers that looks at that list and thinks "with that upcoming games list, my mind is made up. I'm buying a Switch". Again, by all means, if you believe that's a convincing games list to you to say "the Switch has great third party support", "or, look at all of these old ports and indies! Switch third party support is increasing!", that's fine. But that's not increasing in a way I think matters,  and I can pretty much guarantee it doesn't matter your average prospective Switch buyer either because the Switch isn't competing against the PS3 and Xbox 360, is it?

Those are kind of people that had some interest in Switch and some of those games push them to buy Switch, I saw plenty of people were exited for portable Dark Souls or especially for full handheld Diablo 3.

I dont saying its great 3rd party support, but it is good 3rd party support for Nintendo platform and that 3rd party support is incrasing, number of annouced games proves that. 3rd party games for Switch are not crucial and main thing for Nintendo platform like they are for Sony/MS consoles, but those 3rd party games makes Switch more apealing and diverse.

Based on my track record? What hell that should mean? If you want you can easily check evry game listed from that thread. Only people on gaming forums making and look at lists, average buyers look at games that will be soon released or that games that are already available. Point of that list is proof that 3rd party support for Switch is incrasing in any case, and that was my point.

For instance, this are just currently confirmed 3rd party games (not counting Indies) for April release alone:

-Mortal Kombat 11
-Dragon Ball Heroes
-Final Fantasy X/X-2
-Final Fantasy XII
-Dragon’s Dogma
-Darksiders Warmastered Edition

You can say those are almost all old 3rd party ports, but thats great 3rd party support for Nintendo system, that makes Switch more apealing and Switch lineup more diverse in any case. Also that list is much stronger compared to what we had in same period of last year.

You're still making an overall quantity argument. It doesn't really matter if there was 150 indie games that came out on the Switch that sold less than 500K each and now this year there are 200. If you want to get all technical and say "see the number is higher, therefore support is increasing", then that's fine, but it doesn't mean anything to me. What I'm looking for is an increase quantity of titles that actually push people to buy a console. Those numbers don't appear to be increasing.

"Excited for Dark Souls" doesn't mean "I don't have a Switch and I'm willing to buy one because it has portable Dark Souls". You might not have any issue equating the two, but they're not the same at all. And if third party titles aren't crucial for Nintendo, then Nintendo is going to have difficulty going, as their lineup for this year is looking rather sparse. That's why it's important to have system-selling third party support - to sell systems when your system-selling first party support is in development. Like Kingdom Hearts 3. I bet that pushed some consoles, especially in Japan.  Do you think a port of a PS2 game that was then remastered and Ported to PS4 last year is going to have that same impact? Because I don't.

As for that April lists - six games, four of which are old ports. You're proving my point man. That fact that this list is "much stronger than last year" doesn't mean the Switch has "good third party support" it means it's better than the terrible state it was in last year. Wake me up when the Switch gets a third party game that actually moves consoles that isn't a port. Until then we can stick a fork in this conversation - it's done.