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RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said: 

It's not like saying that a dock less Switch is not a Switch as it's still compatible with a Switch dock. It can still be used like any other Switch. A mini Switch wouldn't be compatible with Joycons, and wouldn't be compatible with a dock. It would require new/additional accessories to be compatible with both. It is incompatible with existing joycons because it would not be able to charge additional joycons. It is incompatible with the dock because it would not be able to be removed from the dock due to the way it was designed. It seems strange to me that Nintendo would have the foresight to know that they planned on making a portable, joycon-less, dockless Switch mini within a few years of launch but not have the foresight to design the joy cons or dock that would be compatible with it. It just doesn't seem like a very Nintendo thing to do if you ask me.

As for market confusion, this is the same market that in general thought the Wii U was a tablet accessory for the Wii. So, I think you are overestimating the markets education and thought process behind game consoles, and overestimating how easy concepts are to convey. If Nintendo had tremendous difficulty conveying to the general public that the Wii U wasn't even the same console as the Wii, how confident can you possibly be that conveying the idea of "this portable Switch doesn't do any of that Switch stuff" is going to be easily accepted by the general public?

I didn't name any other games that require Joy-Cons because it doesn't have any relevance to my point. But again, you insist to adopt the concept that one's refusal to address a point is a tacit agreement that your point is correct. Stop trolling users with this silliness. If you're more interested in "winning" than you are in actually having a conversation, then I'm not interested in engaging with you.

You wouldn't be able to slide Joy-Cons on a Switch Mini, but you can sync Joy-Cons and Pro Controllers with a Mini. Switch Mini gets its own dock with integrated Joy-Con charging spots, so all of the concerns you raised are solved with a single new piece: A redesigned dock. Which is an optional purchase, and not hard work to redesign for Nintendo because the dock hasn't many components to begin with.

I've always rejected the poor excuse that Wii U failed because of market confusion. The console failed because it plain sucked. Revisions of popular consoles are commonly accepted by the general public, unless they are something that serves no good purpose. The Mini we are talking about is for people who already have a regular Switch in their household and are looking for a more portable option, and for people who have waited for a cheaper and more portable version of Switch and have yet to buy any Switch. That's a good purpose.

When someone gets explicitly asked to back up a point and doesn't do it, then it's usually because they can't back it up. If you don't like me assuming that you can't back it up, then back it up in your next reply. And if you have a sincere interest to actually have a conversation, then you have no reason to refuse.

Ahh, so now Nintendo is going to make a Switch-mini specific dock that charges joycons.  So now we have multiple docks for multiple switches. We have Nintendo creating branding so that Switch owners don't buy Switch Mini docks and vice versa.  We have Nintendo re-labelling already published and future games so that mini switch owners don't buy games that won't work on their Switch mini without purchasing additional accessories.  This just keeps getting more and more convoluted, and you think they can just show a few scenes in a commercial and bingo. People will get that.

It's great that you reject that Wii U failed because of market confusion, but again, your opinion isn't fact, and I won't be treating it as such. You can assert things all you want but you can't expect other people to accept them. Here's what the former head of Nitnendo's indie program has to say.

"Wii U is not selling as well as it deserves to. It has a lot to offer with great games you can't get anywhere else," Adelman said, answering a question about whether Nintendo was to blame for the "mess" it's in. "The value of the GamePad hasn't been justified. But the name Wii U is abysmal. I think that cut sales in half right there."

https://www.polygon.com/2014/8/5/5970787/wii-u-nintendo-bad-name

I mean, you'd have to be pretty arrogant to claim to know more than one of the former heads of Nintendo what would have access to all of the market research you could only dream of, right?

The mini you are talking about, to be clear, doesn't exist. It's hypothetical. You make it sound like it's a slam dunk Nintendo makes this, but again, that's just your opinion, literally based on no facts. Tell me, was there ever a game that worked on the Game Boy  and not the Gameboy color? Advance and not the Advance SP?  DS and not the DS Lite? DS Lite and not the DSi?3DS and not the 3DSXL or 2DS? It's like this is not the same thing at all as the market accepting those, is it? Besides the target audience you're talking about can easily be addressed by just making a "Switch Lite" that does everything the switch does, is slightly less wide (say cut down on the size of the bezel on the sides of the display), uses a newer version of the tegra that is more energy efficient, has a higher battery life, and costs less to produce. They could even sell it without the dock with no issue as it would be compatible with the existing dock. Imagine that. I just thought of a Switch revision that addresses the market your hypothetical device with none of the limitations or confusion.

Nah, I don't back up points that don't need backing up. I don't care what you assert. I don't care if you want to convince yourself that I accept your points if I don't refute them. I do have a sincere interest in a conversation, but that doesn't mean that I have to have the conversation you want to have in the way you want to have it. You don't set the rules, and I won't follow them just because you want me to. If you don't like me not following the rules you set, just stop replying to me.

Last edited by potato_hamster - on 01 February 2019