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Puppyroach on 20 December 2018
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betacon said:
Puppyroach said:

Patreon cancelling accounts has nothing to do with free speech, it has to do with them delivering a service or not. Harris excersice his free speech when he spoke out about something he disagreed on, or are you claiming that he used free speech when he cancelled an account? 🙂

 

The difference between cancelling an account because of political beliefs and refusing service because of sexual orientation is that, as far as u know, the baker hadn't signed an agreement with the customer with terms of service? Also, one of those two examples is not a choice as far as we know, that is why people react harder when you discriminate because of sexual orientation.

It most certainly does, these people were removed because the platform doesn't agree with them not because they broke the terms of agreement, that is far worse than the baker case. It's out right fascism and not the pretend meaning modern liberals use, like calling anyone right wing a nazi. Just like with the baker case just go to another service they will happily feel the void that's created by that bigotry.

 

Okay cool I got it discrimination is acceptable when the left decide if it's okay or not, it's either all okay or none

But isn't that exactly the case with the baker? He refused service because of his beliefs, not because they broke some kind of agreement .Patreon at least clarifies that when you sign up, you accept their position (even though I don't agree with it). And stop using incorrect words like fascism, even I as a non-english speaker knows that is not related to this situation at all.

 

Society is never all-or-nothing, that is why we make judgements. There is a difference between discrimination based on how you were born and what opinions you have squired, but it's up to society to decide whether or not that discrimination should be treated equally or seperate. The same goes with free speech: according to your reasoning there shouldn't be any punishment if I shouted "bomb!" in a cinema, I'm just practicing my free speech? Ofcourse there are differences, what liberals often do is to actually discuss things that we accept today compared to things that we don't accept that were obviously acceptabel in the past. That doesn't mean everything changes, but we need to discuss and debate things in society and not always agree.