No Physical Media for Next Gen?

[EricHiggin]

Pemalite said: 

EricHiggin said: 

Well when your leaders are willing to stagnate the economy and piss off the people by putting them even deeper in debt, by paying exorbitant amounts to have renewable energy installed as fast as possible no matter the cost, all while giving away billions to other countries to help them do the same, ya, it's pretty sad. Then on top of it, when hydro rates go through the roof because of it, they tell you that's just the cost of 'saving the world'. (We actually grew a spine for a second and complained enough that they gave decent discounts for now, but it really is just pushing back the price hike until after the next election, just by chance).

Spoken like a true conservative.

Some renewables would have been fine, at more affordable government payouts, or shorter span payouts as they are also reduced in turn with renewable purchasing and installation costs, should have been the plan, which I wouldn't exactly deem a conservative viewpoint. They were way to progressive about it, and should have been more Liberal.

Pemalite said: 

EricHiggin said: 

As socialist and Canada can be, it's the opposite in terms of capitalism in some ways actually. Especially when it comes to communications. The few big corporations call the shots and do whatever they can to stop the smaller guys, and they mostly get away with it.

We had the same issue. Telstra dictated the terms of the industry and was very profit driven.
They would even lock other companies out of certain geographical areas because they owned everything. 

Then we got a left-wing government who decided they were sick of that status quo... Bought our infrastructure back... And then decided to build the NBN. - Then we got a conservative government in who changed everything and fucked it up... But it's still leagues better than it used to be... But the base principle remain.

...And that is... No longer does a single company like Telstra own everything from top to bottom, from the telephone exchange to the modem sitting on your desk to the mobile towers... Everyone is now on an equal playing field pretty much.
And we are now seeing lots of small providers pop up which is great.

And we wouldn't have gone through all this bullshit if the previous conservative government didn't sell our telecommunications off in the first place. 

Our Liberals are sick of the status quo too, just not when it comes to anything really important. They focus on the little things and mostly ignore the problems that impact the most. Mary Jane being legalized recently should help bring in some extra money, but what are they going to spend it on is another question. Our Gov has made attempts to break up the big monopolies, but has only made small dents in them at best. When it comes to telecommunications that's one area they don't like to mess with.

Pemalite said:

EricHiggin said: 

What makes no sense is instead of charging considerably more for the faster and more reliable infrastructure being installed, and using that to offset the cost of laying kms of line for only a handful of homes, or installing worthy high speed wireless towers, they offer the new systems for even cheaper with higher caps.

Vast countries like Australia, Canada etc' cannot really afford to sit around and expect a company to do this... It is bad business sense so shit will stagnate.
The Government really does need to intervene.

They recently gave some money to an organization that is looking to try and work with all the internet co's and get fiber laid over a vast majority rural area in Ontario, but they've had the money for years and are just getting to the point where they are finding out where the existing infrastructure is and who can help them with the installation, so maybe construction could start next year, and is supposed to finish 2021-2022. Much of the wait apparently is because the big co's have held off as long as possible as to helping out with information and deciding how much they want to help install, knowing they are going to probably lose millions of customers when this happens. That is only the first planned phase based on the money they were able to attain from the Gov, which is basically just to strengthen the backbone of the existing system. The full plan says if they can continue to receive Gov funding, that rural homes will start to see fiber around 2030, and the last homes will see it by 2040. Private money and ISP's that aren't part of that program may speed up that time line ever so slightly, but ya, 2040 before some people get anything better than 5.0mbps basically.

Pemalite said:

EricHiggin said: 

The fiber nearby has a min buy in of 40mbps down and 5.0mbps up, for $50 a month, with a 500GB data cap, or $60 a month for unlimited.

The irony is... I am still on half century old copper. 

Near the odd forward thinking town or the big cities they can get 50mbps dsl, but once that drops to around 4.0mbps over distance they don't do anything. Everyone passed that point is stuck with dial up still unless there's another large enough town nearby with a direct fiber run to it already. That's the only reason we can get 5.0mbps here. Not far passed us everyone has no option but 56k dial up or 2mbps wireless or 20mbps satellite (which is unaffordable, unreliable, low capped, and 10mbps on average). 

Pemalite said:

EricHiggin said: 

A lot of people in the rural area's are locked into wireless internet around here, which is typically around 2.0mbps down and 0.5mbps up for $60 a month, unlimited. Some are stuck with satellite, and pay around $80 a month for 20mbps down and 1mbps up, with a 250GB data cap, but it varies a lot and anytime near peak period, it usually hovers around 5.0mbps down.

We rolled out fixed wireless here for the outskirts of the town that happily hits 50Mbps down with unlimited data caps, fantastic technology for rural areas.
There is a small caveat that when it rains, that signal does degrade... But considering this is the driest state on the driest Continent in the world, it's not a big drama I guess.

Near Niagara Falls there is a company that installed some wireless towers and offers 50mbps, but the while I don't remember the data caps and prices exactly, they were some of the worst I've ever seen in Canada. That's what happens without competition and options though.