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[EricHiggin]

Hiku said:

EricHiggin said:

Your welcome.

The note beside America, which can be taken a couple different ways, says either 300 million guns, or 600 million, so not 1,205 per person, but 1 or almost 2 per person.

First it's estimated. Secondly that 401X, which I'm having trouble matching, has to be divided by 3 due to the population difference, so it would only be 133%.

I don't know either, I just posed the question, with the point that you can't only blame a lack of healthcare on those deaths, and that there are many ways in which people can die, so worrying about the largest contributors would seem like a good place to start.

They're estimates, yeah. There's no tracking device on each gun (yet).

The 401X figure is the difference in gun ratio. Which is measured by guns per person/capita. Difference in population size is not a factor when you look at ratios. That would be when you look at the total amount of guns in the country. Which we can do by multiplying the ratio to the population. I'll go by the more conservative 1.205 ratio listed for USA.

USA
1.205 x 325 Million people = 391 million guns

Since Japan has roughly 38% of USA's population, they would have 148 million (38% of those guns), in a similar scenario. Let's see how much they actually have.

Japan
0.003 x 126 million = 0,37 million guns

Do you see now where the 401X figure comes from? Multiply 0,37 million (370 000) with 401, and you'll get 151 million. Which is ~38% (Japan's population difference to USA) of the 391 million guns in USA.
(I dropped a decimal here and there so it came out 148 million earlier instead of 151, but you get the idea.)

So yes, the math checks out on the 401X ratio difference. You don't divide it by 3 because it's a ratio.

Anyway, regarding the ~40 000 annual death toll in USA I mentioned in regards to people dying from not being able to afford healthcare, I think there's been a misunderstanding there, as you keep saying "can't only blame healthcare for those deaths".
I'm not quite sure, but it sounds like you took it as the number of people who die unnatural deaths in USA every year?
That is not the case. This figure is estimates of deaths directly caused by the inability to afford healthcare, specifically. The amount of preventable cases of deaths in general, per year, in USA is significantly higher than 40 000. Then we're talking over a million per year: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preventable_causes_of_death

Regarding healthcare, while that 40 000 - 46 000 death figure is estimate and may be off by several thousands, the point remains that this figure is 0 in every other developed nation.
Because they all have literally affordable healthcare systems. Where if you for some reason still can't afford it in spite of the low cost, the government will pay for it if you show them your finances. No one dies because they can't afford healthcare. We've made it a human right, like public schooling. Which was only something rich children were able to attend before people stood up for themselves and said their children deserved an education as well. The same was done for healthcare in the whole developed world. Except USA.

Ya ok I didn't think you had accounted for pop difference. So regardless of the estimates, being higher than 288X would lead me to agree it's probably partially to blame, but I still wouldn't place all that much blame on just the physical guns themselves.

I am assuming it's inability to afford healthcare. Your saying it only covers something like someone who get's cancer and can't afford the treatment that falls under that, assuming they didn't knowingly spend a lot of time around radioactive materials that gave them that cancer for example? That would change the way I was thinking about it.

I understand the reasons people push for free stuff, I just don't necessarily agree with them all. I'm not a believer that people are born with rights or are super special and need to be taken care of. Now if someone wants to do that for somebody else, I'm not really going to argue with that, because it shouldn't really impact me. Now if they decide I'm just a bad person and they'll take my money to do 'what's right' anyway, now that most certainly is impacting me and that's a problem. Personally, I don't look at rights like many do, because history as taught us that as right and moral as we might think we are, way more often than not, we have been wrong, so.