HintHRO said:
outlawauron said:
No, not at all. Please don't put words in mouth.
The hyperbole from people who don't live in the US is tiring. There's never any genuine conversation.
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Actually we (Europe, Australia, Asia etc) can say exactly the same about people living in the US. The solution is so simple we can't believe the US hasn't done anything about it: Just. Ban. The. Fucking. Guns. You can call us ignorant, stupid or hyperbole, but we live in countries where school shootings actually never happen and that is because guns are not allowed. Allow guns and many innocent people die, or ban guns and way less innocent people die. For us it's not that hard a choice, but apparently for America it is.
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So what is your actual suggestion? Go from home to home and seize all guns from every person? Ban all guns from being sold? Ban all guns from sale except those designated for hunting? Ban all guns in populated areas, but allow them in rural areas?
You don't publicly display your country, but there isn't a straight ban across the world as various countries have different levels of gun control.
Pemalite said:
Hiku said:
Where did you get your info?
As for Australia, between 1996 (the year they began implementing the gun law change) and 2007, there was a ~20% decline in homicides.
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/gun-control-australia-updated/
And moving on, between 2008 - 2013, it has remained lower than any year before 2007, even marking 3 new record lows, below the previous in 1997 (282).
Also, all this time Australia's population has steadily increased, but the nation’s homicide incident rate has fallen even more than the number of homicides — from 1.6 per 100,000 in 1995-96 to 1 per 100,000 in 2013-2014, according to a government report on crime trends.
But regarding non-familicide mass shootings (where 5 or more were killed), which is what we're mainly talking about here and not regular homicides, they had 11 in the 10 years that lead up to the Port Arthur massacre in 1996. And after they implemented strict gun reform, they had 0 in the 20 years that followed.
There were a few familicide/arson incidents, but familicide is impossible to regulate, as access to family members that trust you allows a pillowcase to become a deadly weapon when they're sleeping. Such a pillow can however not easily kill people you don't know at a rock concert, which is the point here.
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Should also mention that Gun Ownership in Australia has also been rising.
Guns per capita has been decreasing, but the total amount of guns in the country has increased.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-44105129
We simply don't allow idiots to have guns... Where-as the USA it's more like a free-for-all.
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Violent crime and homicides are decreasing in the US as well. The above data shows that the gun ban did nothing to decrease homicides.
