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potato_hamster on 17 October 2018
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RolStoppable said:
potato_hamster said:

No. Stop making assumptions about what I'm saying. If you're reading comprehension isn't good enough, don't try. "It's a bit late" means it's now unreasonable to expect third parties to give the same support to Nintendo platforms as they do Sony and Microsoft platforms. It's not third party developers fault that Nintendo has continuous failed to give them a platform that a) requires no more work to port a multi-platform game to than the competition b) can expect a similar return on investment as the competition. A strong userbase is not enough to justify a strong investment, as the Wii demonstrated time and time again. Nintendo has to make developers make games for their platform because it's an easy choice to make, not because its a hard one.

Rambling? You're the one that narrows the goalposts so you can dance around as if everything is merry in Nintendoland, and all of the Japanese developers are counting their yen like Switch is a licence to print money. Meanwhile in reality, let's take a closer look at what Japanese developers aren't putting on the Switch. Let's start with the most obvious "laugh to the bank" choice as they have made millions and millions off of a franchise that has thrived on Nintendo platforms in the past: Monster Hunter World. I can play that on PS4, Xbox One, and PC. Yet curiously... not found on the Switch. How about Devil May Cry 5? Kingdom Hearts 3? Yakuza? Persona 5? Nier:Automata? Final Fantasy XV? Resident Evil VII? How come games that would require a serious effort to port to Switch aren't getting ported?

Ohh right, it must be those Japanese developers and their bias against Nintendo.

You sound pretty aggravated. You talk about me narrowing the goalposts in a thread about Western AAA third party games when I am the one who broadens the topic to all third party games. You talk about me narrowing goalposts and proceed to name Japanese AAA games when I talk about how Switch has the fastest growing library in history which can't mean anything other than Nintendo is doing things right. You are the one who tries to keep the focus on the few things Switch doesn't have. That can be easily flipped around: Octopath Traveler is exclusive to Switch, so is Yokai Watch 4 and Shin Megami Tensei 5. Why aren't those games coming to the PS4?

I remember when before the Switch's launch we had a discussion where I said that it's laughable that Nintendo would go third party anytime soon and you jumped at my throat, claiming that Nintendo following Sega is not such a farfetched idea. When I pointed out that Nintendo's IPs are much more valuable than Sega's, you called it wishful thinking. It's difficult to have a reasonable discussion with you and nothing about that has changed.

You broadened the topic to All third party games? Then why did you give me shit about bringing up EA or Activision earlier? Ohh right, because you tried to narrow the scope of the conversation to Japanese devs to paint a better picture of the Switch's third party situation. The thread is about "big games from third parties". I just listed the biggest games from Japanese third parties that skipped or will skip the Switch. I can start listing ones from North American or European third parties if you like, but I mean, it diesn't get better.

And about that "fastest growing library in history".. does that change when we talk about games with a $60 price point? (That's a rhetorical question, we already know the answer) Just pretend it's one of those "quality over quantity" arguments you like to make when talking about great which platforms have the best games. Why aren't those games coming to the PS4? For a variety of reasons, but one reason you can definitely rule out is "the PS4 can't handle a standard Switch game, and it's just not worth the time and effort to have to rework such a significant part of the game, especially when games like this have traditionally sold overwhelmingly in the past. It's hard to justify the investment".


I love how you sugar coat arguments we had years ago. Come on, Rol, we all know you referenced your notes. We don't need your interpretation, just post the links you have readily available! I know, why don't you just go on baselessly asserting that I hate Nintendo once again, or questioning whether or not I could have possibly played Breath of the Wild because I don't think its the greatest game ever. I know you're just dying to.