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setsunatenshi said:

Qwark said:

Kind of depends on what rights you give to a foetus. If you see it as a self aware human being with a reactive nervous system you could argue that this fetus should share the same rights as any other human. I agree the male who inpregnated het should not have a say in this. But the legal system definitely should  have a say in this, same goes with Euthanasie. 

The juridical argument is a very solid argument against abortion. Since it does not question what a women should do, but which rights a self aware unborn has. Abortion is in fact killing a human being from 13 weeks and onward since it is actually self aware.

I am pro choice until 13 weeks, but after that period aborting a child is basically murder. From that point you don't kill a few cells which are building towards something, but you are in fact killing something that could be described as an individual.

Nobody should be allowed to kill another self aware human being willingly (even if it is a foetus). Whether or not said person is a woman or not is irrelevant. If a guy causes a woman to misscariage, by an act if violenence hé also should be charged for killing another human being. 

I agree same rights should be given to all humans. So if you take it to the logical conclusion, the woman is able to sustain her life without sucking it out of the potential child. The potential child, on the other hand, is not able to sustain itself without literally leaching life out of the woman that carries it, therefore the right of the woman to self determine what sucks the life out of her body is 100 times out of 100 the most important right to uphold. You literally can't force someone to hurt their own body to sustain another. If that was the case you would make it that a court could order you to donate a kidney if that could save another human's life. No one makes that argument because it's obviously absurd, so how can it be valid for the anti choice crowd? 

 

We don't even need to get to the point that 1 of those beings is actually conscient, thinking and able to make decisions, while the other is literally not existing as a person yet. 

Not voluntarily giving up a kidney and willingly killing a consious human being because its inconvenient are not even remotely the same. As for leaching the life out of someone. You do realise the female body is biologically designed to carry a child. It normally doesn't cause inreparable medical damage to a woman. Unlike abortion which is definitive.

You can't give someone the right to kill another human being once its consious. Unless said person chooses so. If you don't want to raise a child totally fine, plenty of people who. would want to adopt a child. Luckily where I live abortion after 22 weeks is actually forbidden by law. Since even if the woman wants to get rid of it the medical procedure is forbidden to execute by a doctor, unless there are very compelling nefical reasons. Although I guess you could cut it out after that periode and lay it in a couveuse. 

A foetus is an exsisting person just because it is in a womb and you can not see it doesn't mean it is non existant. A consious foetus is a lot more than just a bunch of cell that are building a person. A featus is in fact a developing human being and that person has the right not to be killed. The fact that you would regard a consious festus as a parasite and something that has no value at all, is pretty disturbing if you ask me.