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[EricHiggin]

Machiavellian said:

EricHiggin said:

That's like me deciding to find a cure for cancer starting today, then years, decades, down the road after I've succeed and when that news goes viral I explain, 'I never thought it would lead to this. The media and everyone wanting to know about something that could do a lot of good for many people. Who would have thought?' Either that or I keep quiet and just keep the cure to myself, because what was no doubt a part of the process once a cure was found? Using it for the greater good. Otherwise you would see me and Kap as the hugest scumbags ever because who does something like that simply for themselves? Nike deal?

I don't disagree the GOP ain't changing their minds unless she has some great evidence that has yet to be seen. Based on what evidence is available, there is no reason to believe Kavanaugh himself is the culprit. That doesn't mean she wasn't assaulted, but if you look at the scenario overall, at this point in time it looks like delay tactics from the DNC. Whether or not there is a little payback in there too who knows. Both sides have a little dirt on their hands at the moment, but we'll see who ends up covered in mud.

Obviously protesting is going to cause a stir. That's part of why it's protesting. There is no perfect way to start a protest, but what I'm saying is when you start a protest and continue with the same game plan after getting nowhere for quite some time, while you can keep at it, the odds of you accomplishing your goal becomes more and more unlikely, or at best, just drags it out unnecessarily into the future. The people who your protesting, are against your protest, so the best idea is to try and fit their 'mold' as much as possible, to try and get them on your side, without weakening what your fighting for. It's not that simple as if it only should take weeks, but how long has this been going on for now and yet some players are still kneeling? Then there's Kap and his Nike deal, which they no doubt knew would be adding sneakers as fuel to the fire. It seems like they are more so just trying to piss off the right as if they think their cause is completely lost and so why not go out with a bang. I do not see the brilliance in this other than Nike and Kap making some quick dough off Kaps supporters.

I believe you really need to do some research on a lot of movements.  Most started as simple protest that gained momentum not because the person was looking for headlines.  Not sure how you can connect something like finding a cure for cancer to sitting on a bench during the national anthem as being on the same level.  Have you ever looked in the stands during any sporting event.  Next time why don't you do that and come back and tell me how many people sit during the anthem.

The GOP was never going to change their mind period even if she had some evidence.  As long as Trump stands by his pick and his base is more than willing to find any excuse to dismiss anything against him, there was never any question of his confirmation.  The only reason we are even going through the motions here is because of procedure.  It really doesn't matter what the DNC does, it was over as soon as Trump made his decision.

Can you give some examples of this 'mold' of protesting that was successful.  I really have no clue what you are talking about.  It's as if you are trying to play the middle which I cannot remember has ever been successful.  I believe there will always be people like you which Dr. King talked about.  You would always say, its not your time wait.  Do not march in the streets it will make people unhappy.  Do not protest this way, the right will get angry.  You will always be looking to play the middle and the middle is where you will always be, never getting anything done because you are to scared of shaking things up.  

Can you give enough examples to prove that 'most' started as simple protests that were unlikely to turn into anything more? The cure for cancer and how many more or less people it would help exactly isn't the point. It's the cause itself. Why would I bother doing it if I just wanted to make a point to myself? You say nobody noticed he was doing it, but we also wouldn't know if some people in the crowd saw it and just brushed it off at that point in time, but we do know somebody did notice, a reporter just by chance. When your a celebrity or athlete, the camera is always watching, so to assume you can do your own little protest in peace while on the field without getting noticed, doesn't add up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1PhcVHMKac

Buddy taking a drink on the bench who tosses his cup and doesn't get it in the garbage, get's up to put it in the garbage. This got noticed and a point was made it more widely known. Another guy sitting on the bench flossing, get's noticed, and a point is made to make it more widely known. How is Kap sitting during the anthem any different?

The GOP did change their mind already. They initially decided the hearing would take place Monday, and now it's happening Thursday for her sake. Why do you assume nothing else will change going forward? 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-testify.html

"Until recently, Judge Kavanaugh’s confirmation seemed all but assured; Dr. Blasey’s testimony has the potential to be a fatal blow."

How about Ford? Like I said before, she was suppressed and has had to live with it for decades, but because she followed the mold the system is working for her as intended. She's isn't being ignored, she isn't being shut down, she's being allowed to give her testimony. Yes, she has had opposition, like anyone protesting anything, but it has been minimal in comparison to many others, which isn't surprising based on how much more civil the issue has been handled by her side, which has led to the other side acting more civil.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 24 September 2018