Trump's Personal Lawyer And Campaign Manager Both Going To Prison

[EricHiggin]

JRPGfan said:

EricHiggin said:

I bet if Trump's words were 'I did it, I'm guilty, and I should be impeached', his words would suddenly be extremely meaningful because they would magically become nothing but truth after years of lie's and everyone on the left would want it used against him.

He doesnt lie all the time.... so its not like the world would be shocked if he told a truth lol (which your makeing it sound like).
He does it alot more often than most that hold public office though, enough to catagorised as a pathological liar.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/08/01/president-trump-has-made-4229-false-or-misleading-claims-in-558-days/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1897752ff8fe

He tells about 8 lies pr day (falsehoods & misleading claims) to the public.

I can't believe I actually even opened the article since it's based on 'fact checking', LOL, but the fact that there is somebody watching every single thing Trump says and is pointing out any tiny flaw to try and make him look as bad as possible, just solidifies the reason why he became President in the first place.

I missed the part of the article where it talks about what he said that's truthful and how often that occurs... maybe in the fine print? I'm sure it's there somewhere...

JWeinCom said:

EricHiggin said:

I bet if Trump's words were 'I did it, I'm guilty, and I should be impeached', his words would suddenly be extremely meaningful because they would magically become nothing but truth after years of lie's and everyone on the left would want it used against him.

Yes... because when determining when someone is lying or not, one of the things we consider is their motivation.  Generally, confessing to serious crimes is not in one's best interest to lie about, so in most (not all) circumstance, I would tend to believe a freely given confession of guilt.  

Good point. Except for the point that he didn't need this position, had no reason to accept it, let alone chase it in the first place, spent millions of his own money to campaign for the  opportunity, and yet if he admitted he lied and should be fired, you think that would obviously mean it's the truth and should be taken as gospel?

Their motivation? So Trump spends millions of his own money and wastes a tonne of his time, losing millions he could be making at his business, to win the position and then screws himself over once it's all his? You should re-think your determination process.

SpokenTruth said:

bowserthedog said:

Hush money is legal.  

You're basing all of this on Cohen's word. The words of a man who was facing much more time for other crimes committed. Since the money was paid back from Trump personally it was not a crime at all. It also occurred before he even ran for office. Give me an example of somebody else who ran for president and hush money was considered a campaign expense rather than a personal expense?

The payment happened in October 2016.  1 month before the election.

Machiavellian said:

bowserthedog said:

Hush money is legal.  

You're basing all of this on Cohen's word. The words of a man who was facing much more time for other crimes committed. Since the money was paid back from Trump personally it was not a crime at all. It also occurred before he even ran for office. Give me an example of somebody else who ran for president and hush money was considered a campaign expense rather than a personal expense?

First let's stop saying Hush money is legal without the context.  The context is that the hush money was paid during a period when the President was a candidate and the amount of money used had to be reported.  Cohen and his lawyer are not going to plead guilty to a no charge, that is absolutely silly to even keep that pretense up. 

Now if you say that just because Cohen is guilty does that mean the President is guilty that's another story.  The only way to prove that President Trump is guilty is if he had full awareness that the money would violate campaign finance laws and he willingly order it done.  This is the distinction you should be arguing not whether the hush money is legal or not legal.  There is no legal scholar saying that what Cohen admitted to was not illegal as a rep and lawyer for the Trump campaign.  People really need to get their discussion points correct.

Now, this is where other evidence in the case that will determine if this part can be proven or not.  Emails, tapes, receipts you name it.  What no one knows yet is what evidence does Cohen has and the prosecutors that verify his statement that he was order to make the payments with Trump full understanding it was a violation.

It's not like Trump out of the blue remembered he once had a fling with her and decided to phone her up and offer her hush money just in case. If you were her, and wanted something out of it the whole time, or decided since Trump was in an election and was vulnerable, wouldn't you pounce? It's not his fault she was going to come out and that the media was going to make a big deal out of it now, which you can bet they wouldn't have, if it was before he decided to run. Trump just needs to point out that it was a personal issue and he paid it to keep his family and business blind to the situation. The fact that she wanted to use his political nomination to get the money out of him has nothing to do with Trump himself. It was pure chance as far as he's concerned and without hard evidence, that's the way it will be judged.