Starbucks Billionaire: You Can’t Have Healthcare Or College

[Mr Puggsly]

Machiavellian said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Republicans didn't just oppose Obama because they wanted to make him look bad, they simply have different ideologies. Its like trying to get democrats to support anything Trump does, even stuff people actually want like getting tough on immigration and lower taxes.

I think American people primarily just want cheaper and easier access to healthcare plans. I'm more in the center about this. I do see Healthcare.gov as a good solution to help the minority in this country that don't quite have access to good healthcare for various reasons. It arguably needs better options though and perhaps the subsidies can be overly generous in country with many safety nets already.

Right now though democrats are leaning into the single payer idea more than fixing Obamacare. Obama felt like a moderate compared to where dems are going now.

There is a difference between different ideologies and just plain stubborn denial.

https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311

Or you can watch this video on how Republicans whole stragety was to oppose Obama on everything even if it helped or supported things they wanted

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-republicans-plan-for-the-new-president/

Democrats never supported lower taxes and Obama administration was considered pretty tough when it comes to immigration.  I guess going the extra mile and taking children without any means to get them back to their parents wasn't tough enough but to each their own.

The American healthcare system is pretty broken and will remain so.  The cost will continue to go sky high and for all the people saying how great it is that you have the Cleveland or Mayo clinic, when a time comes when they need that insurance they believe will cover them for some expensive procedure, medication or medical expense and get turned down, is when they realize the US can have all the great tech and drugs in the world but doesn't mean anything if you cannot get access to it.  Having your savings nuked, pleading with your friends and neighbors to help never feels good and all the while more options are taken away because its too expensive to keep you alive.  No one think about these social services until you need it then it's a whole different story.

A single payer system will never happen in the US because big insurance companies will make sure as they always have to make it go away.  The discussion still needs to happen because it seems people really are way to concerned how much money big insurance companies make compared to how many lives can be saved.  I am not saying that Insurance companies should not make money but the cost of everything needs to be put in check.  If my doctor charges me 60 bucks to a simple procedure you can do at home for 5 bucks or less, that's where the bloat comes in.  Its that kind of bloat within the system I keep hearing people champion saying this is how it is.  With that kind of thinking there will never be any change in the US, because no one wants to put any effort.

Certainly in the modern era of politics the democrats don't push for lower taxes, nor did I say they did. I said lower taxes is a popular idea the democrats oppose.

Obama was indeed considered tough on immigration and he boasted about kicking people out. Today though... the media equates those kind of policies to Nazi Germany. Maybe even a blemish in his time in office.

The separating kids from the parents thing is a lot more complicated then the media spins it. Some aren't even the parents, some get raped along the way, and much of it could be avoided if they simply didn't attempt to enter the country illegally. Simply sending people back seems more complicated than it ought to be.

The government has the ability to find ways to provide healthcare at a lower cost. That's what the government funded healthcare plans attempt to do. I argue the government should focus on making procedure that bankrupt people cheaper and get their nose out of the cheap procedures most of us can afford easily. If we paid for the simple procedure and cheap stuff our self, then we would price shop better than the government and healthcare providers do. But many will argue we need the government and healthcare plans to cover everything, so we get more bloat.

Last edited by Mr Puggsly - on 21 August 2018