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Jumpin on 26 July 2018
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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Jumpin said:

I don't see that happening.

1. Despite having a full roster, like SB4, there doesn't appear to be much improvement. With Mario Kart, there was a TON of improvement from N64 to Wii; and while there was decline on the Gamecube, people recognized MK Cubed was a stop gap game with all its BS and sloppy design, and that the next real Mario Kart was the Wii version.

2. I don't think the fanbase expanded from Brawl, it seems to have peaked there. It grew between Melee and Brawl, obviously. With Mario Kart, a LOT of non-N64 owners played the game multiplayer, and those gamers later bought DSs and Wiis, and each of them bought Mario Kart.

3. The Switch demographic hasn't expanded significantly in the local multiplayer fanbase from the Wii, despite its increased capabilities for local multiplayer.

That all said, I would say Smash peaked on Wii, and it won't get above those numbers on Switch. At best it will slightly exceed them - and that's only if there's some kind of unforseen renewed interest in popularity. I don't think it'll be far behind, but 13M is a hard barrier, it'll be closer to 10 or 11M, and probably not for a while either, as many of those buys will be "down the road for my collection because I own a Switch" buys.

1. I still hold that Mario Kart: Double Dash is the best one in the series, though MK8DX is coming very close. MK Wii was a deception for me, with the only somewhat good new thing being bikes (somewhat because they are gamebreakers)

2. Smash managed to get over 5M on Wii U. Believe me when I say that it would have outsold Brawl given enough install base (even just GC hardware numbers would have sufficed imo)

3. Possibly, but it gained a substantial amount of online multiplayer fanbase since then

Going by the preorders on both Amazon (worldwide) and Gamestop (US only), which are still going very strong one month after the E3 presentation, I don't think many will opt for a "buy later" for this game. In fact, I think it could be comparatively frontloaded for a Nintendo game,as many seem to have been waiting for this game.

1. I don't see how you making this point at all advances the argument? Your perception of the game doesn't line up with its lack of acceptance when compared to the previous and later iterations. People were turned off by it; and the problems were bleeding obvious. First with how terrible the local multiplayer experience was - particularly in regards to how terrible the controls were; arguably in the franchise. Another downside was how horribly unbalanced the weapons and karters were (some were outright worthless, notably the heavies). It probably ties with Super Circuit as having the worst and least memorable track lineup of the entire franchise. On top of that, they slapped on a really silly 2-karter gimmick that some people tried to defend, but most people thought was stupid, and were repulsed by it. This is why Mario Kart 64 remained popular until the Wii days and the cube version was quickly forgotten. The fact of the matter is most people saw the cube Mario Kart as a stop gap, while the Wii version was the real deal.

2. So... I'm to just "believe" you. That's your argument?  I have to clap for such arrogant pretense.

3. Local multiplayer is one of Nintendo's best tools at spreading game popularity as it gives loads of non-owners the opportunity to play; online multiplayer is not. Online multiplayer basically the same as single player as in the people playing that mode have already purchased it. So regardless of the "massive growth" in this area, that's a massive growth out of existing players.

What you have to do is try to explain how Smash 5 is going to hit 25 million or higher using facts (not beliefs or convictions) as evidence to support your arguments.

What you've given me is fanboy apologetics attempting to explain away Nintendo's misses, an argument whose conclusion doesn't follow the premise, and a plea for me to just believe in what you believe.
Usually we discuss religious topics in the Politics forum.

Last edited by Jumpin - on 26 July 2018

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