thismeintiel said:
Mandalore76 said:
The success of the Star Wars franchise is a fluke that only happened because of the way the climax to Empire was written? LOL! Star Wars was a smash hit well before Empire. The merchandising, which George Lucas negotiating sole rights to (I guess this must have been a fluke too!) was already off the charts. They had to issue IOU's for the first wave of figures because of the demand. If anything, the prequels prove that Lucas knew exactly what he was doing. There is a very good reason why "A New Hope" starts off in medias res. Lucas had a blueprint in his head for the Fall of the Republic, The Clone Wars, etc, but he was smart enough to know that the bits of the story that would most engage the general public came halfway through his planned story arc. Everyone who sh*ts on Lucas because they didn't like the prequels conveniently forgets that he consciously made that decision. They also ignore the fact that he created Indiana Jones (another successful and highly regarded series) and gave it to his friend Steven Spielberg, because he was too busy with Star Wars to film it.
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I would just ignore him. From debating with him previously, I have come to the conclusion that he is just a big James Cameron fan who seems to be pissed that Cameron was never able to create a franchise that had the same impact as SW, so he constantly belittles it.
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You're the one who's turned this into a zero sum game where box office is tied directly to how good a film is or what's relevant.
So by your own logic Cameron IS the rightful king of your fanboy throne. Titanic and Avatar BOTH made more than any Star Wars or Marvel or any nerd franchise you want to bring up. So bend the knee.
Also the Avatar ride has become the biggest attraction at Disney parks, with thousands of people waiting 2-3 hours in a line up just to get on a 5 minute Avatar, that's in the here and now. People underestimate that franchise at their own risk, what the "general public" and what the "nerd community online" thinks are often two very different things.
Last edited by Soundwave - on 19 June 2018
