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Soundwave on 19 June 2018
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Mandalore76 said:
Soundwave said:
Star Wars is overrated anyway, the main reason it took off in a huge way was because Lucas fluked out into the "lets make Darth Vader Luke's father" which wasn't even in the original Empire drafts that made that original series more interesting than it had any business being. Otherwise it would've just been Star Wars 2, Star Wars 3, etc. generic sequels to the first film. Lucas is a mediocre writer in many other respects, the prequels already proved he had no clue what he was doing. Disney is just trying to milk nostalgia from the OT but took too much risk with the character of Luke in VIII.

And Star Wars didn't have to compete against anything in the 70s/80s ... there was no LOTR trilogy, no Marvel films, no Avatar, no Matrix, no Spider-Man, no nothing, it was the only big fantasy IP at a time where like there were maybe 2-3 "big budget" blockbuster movies a year, now there's that many in a month. It was the only game in town.

The sequel trilogy was never going to be anything that mind blowing ... the story arc concluded in Return of the Jedi, they were never gonna top that.

Star Wars is not king, Cameron with all due respect is the king. Avatar and Titanic both beat every Star Wars film inflation adjusted, sorry Star Wars nerds. Marvel also has a better overall canon of characters .... far better, they have 60+ years of thousands of writers and hundreds of issues of depth to even "side characters" ... Star Wars characters like even Han Solo or Boba Fett (lol, gimme a break) are BORING compared to what you can do with Iron Man, Deadpool, Dr. Strange, Thor, etc. All those characters have fully formed story arcs, personalities, etc.

The success of the Star Wars franchise is a fluke that only happened because of the way the climax to Empire was written?  LOL!  Star Wars was a smash hit well before Empire.  The merchandising, which George Lucas negotiating sole rights to (I guess this must have been a fluke too!) was already off the charts.  They had to issue IOU's for the first wave of figures because of the demand.  If anything, the prequels prove that Lucas knew exactly what he was doing.  There is a very good reason why "A New Hope" starts off in medias res.  Lucas had a blueprint in his head for the Fall of the Republic, The Clone Wars, etc, but he was smart enough to know that the bits of the story that would most engage the general public came halfway through his planned story arc.  Everyone who sh*ts on Lucas because they didn't like the prequels conveniently forgets that he consciously made that decision.  They also ignore the fact that he created Indiana Jones (another successful and highly regarded series) and gave it to his friend Steven Spielberg, because he was too busy with Star Wars to film it.

Without the "twist" in Empire, the story would've been fairly vanilla and you would've gotten Star Wars 2/3/4 type sequels, that plot twist made the story far more interesting than just a generic "good vs evil Flash Gordon for the 70s!" thing. 

George didn't have the blue print for any of this shit in his head, he had a one page outline of back story maybe at best and it was painfully obvious with the prequels he didn't plan out most of this stuff ("when I first knew your father he was already a great pilot" ... lol, that is a real stretch George). 

It's an overrated franchise that got put on a pedestal because it was the only really big franchise in the 70s/80s marketed/merchandised etc. that way. Without CGI things like Marvel and LOTR really couldn't have been done then, since the advent of CGI it's easy to make fantasy/sci-fi and now that Star Wars has to compete against like 50 other things, it's no longer that special, and they will never be able to top that story twist from Empire.