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EricHiggin on 15 June 2018
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cycycychris said:
EricHiggin said:

Well to say that PS fans are PS fans, but would rather play Fortnite on Switch doesn't jive. Let's put it this way to make it super simple. If the problem becomes big enough, like the close to 10 million people effected by this so you say, as of right now, and likely to grow, then you can bet that PS will make their own Switch like hardware to solve that problem. PS would much rather have you playing on a PS device, than allow you to give that money to other companies. The more games that end up having this problem, and the more gamers effected by it, the higher the chance you will see a new PS Portable sooner than later.

However, PS does not offer console gaming on the go right now, so if you choose what Nin is offering, which is gaming on the go, then you have to abide by Nin's rules on their platform, and PS's rules on theirs. Nin isn't going to allow Mario on PS consoles even if all 80 million PS gamers bought Switch's and said we want Mario wherever and whenever we want, with the best graphics available. That's not Nin's problem. If you want Mario, get a Nin device. Period. This could lead to another Nin home console though.

Epic has investors to answer to, but PS doesn't? Who's investors are more important? Should we all just say screw PS and their investors and let the company crash and burn? We all know what happens when there isn't enough competition in the industry. Should we force people who invest in PS to also invest just as much in Nin and MS to make sure everything is always even so there is no reason for any brand to try and up it's game?

Its Epic's fault because they chose not to look ahead and plan for the future, or they simply didn't care and took what they could get from PS. If you buy a set of rims for your car, and then decide you want a different brand of car, but want to keep your cool rims, yet find out that when you go to add them onto the new car that it has a different bolt pattern and they won't fit, you don't go and blame the car company. If you do they will tell you to either go back to your old brand of car or buy another set of rims and tires that fit their car. Why do the car companies do this? To make you spend more money and to try to lock you into their ecosystem. This happens in all industries, everywhere, all the time.

No one bought the Switch for Fortnite, they bought it for the concept and especially for Nintendo games. Anything third party they can buy is just icing on the cake. Sony would need to some how copy Nintendo games part to get people to buy there version, thats not happen if they are supporting a handheld and a console. just because 10 million people own a switch also own a PS4 doesn't mean they would buy a Sony copycat, I see no merit in this discussion.

Every console owner has there own exclusives they own, this has nothing to do with a third party account system that no console holder owns. Purchases and purchases through those accounts should be transferable

I never said Sony doesn't have investors, but you said out of ethics Epic should have boycotted PS due to this policy, and I responded that they have investors to answer to and they aren't gonna be kind if you boycott over something so mundane like transferable accounts... Note I'm talking from an investor point of view. They see tens of millions of dollars on the table. Sony investors are irrelevant to what I was saying.

And your final paragraph, I've addressed this so many times, consumers have a right to there accounts, Sony should have no right to block them from being able to transfer them back and forth with full functionality. They are the root of the issue and Epic has been outspoken about them.

Well if they didn't buy it for Fortnite, and now they have Fortnite, then why are they complaining? Would Switch owners rather not have Fortnite at all? Isn't having Fortnite and not being able to link to a PS4 account better than nothing? Maybe they should be thankful and not ungrateful. The game is free to play. If Switch owners bought it for its concept, then there is a good chance if PS made a copycat, and you owned a PS4, which you played third party multiplayer games on, then it would make all the sense in the world to buy that hardware. If it was offered and was quite similar in its usefulness, yet didn't have Nin games, and you wanted Nin games, then you can buy a Switch, but that means no cross play or cross accounts for Fortnite between Switch and PS4. It would be your choice, and while you can try and complain, if the answer Epic or PS gives you is no, then the answer is simply no.

If you want studio's like Epic to be able to have complete control over everything, then they need to build their own console, and everyone can buy one for every single studio's games. They all could have their own online service as well, but then they automatically lose some control having to deal with PS and their network/hardware under the TV.

PS investors also see tens of millions. Why? Well because not only are they making money off of Fortnite, but for every single extra PS4 sold because of Fortnite they make money, plus that's potential money coming in from PS Plus and any content from the PS store, as well as physical game sales, DLC or micro-transactions for those games, accessory sales, word of mouth, etc. Epic could have said no to PS and not had this problem but wouldn't have made nearly as much money, or they could make tens of millions and anger some gamers that want to play across multiple platforms. PS no doubt did the math and decided it was best to try and lock down Fortnite and appease its investors. Epic no doubt did the math and decided its investors were more important than the potential cross platform console gamers.

Epic has been outspoken about how its not their fault at all and they can't do anything about it? You mean like how MS said XB1 DRM was physically locked into the console and it couldn't simply be switched off, only to then shortly afterwards flip the switches and turn it all off when nobody believed their BS? PS retains the rights to the software in that box under the TV and the network it connects to. If they decide they want to have Fortnite locked into that network for those who purchase that box, they can, and if the dev agree's to go along with it, there is nothing anybody can do other than complain or boycott. If Epic signed a contract with PS for Fortnite, then its too bad. Maybe next time Epic will choose to do things differently, and maybe they won't.

Do I think its fair? Not really. Does that even matter? Not really, because life isn't fair from the second your born until the day you die. While there's nothing wrong with having civilized conversations and asking questions, when the answer your given is no, kicking and screaming is not going to get anybody anywhere, and sometimes you just gotta deal with it and move on.