Goku for Smash 5? I say YES!

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Azuren said:

spemanig said:

Goku a game video not character is. That's which it is. He isn't an anime character either, but that isn't relevant as the entire identity of anime revolves around adapting manga. That's not true of games. That's why there is no anime all-star special every 5 years born of only original anime IP celebrating anime as an artistic medium separate from all others. He's a manga character, and this is me not hitting a punchline. Because I already did for this post. It was the first sentence. I know you know that. Me pointing that out is just extending the meta-joke that you don't get that this is all a joke. The more you try to make sound arguments against someone who is straight up telling you he isn't doing the same, which I shouldn't have to do because it's been obvious since my first post in the thread, the worse off you look. I know he isn't an anime character. I wasn't trying to make sound arguments. I was trying to hit a punch line. I was just saying more words. Like when I said "yeah, but you're forgetting that Goku isn't a video game character." Of course you didn't forget and of course I knew that. I was hitting a punchline. Or when I said "yeah, but he's had even more time not being a video game character." What does that even mean? How does someone compare hours played, which is flexible, to screen time, which is not? You can't. Video manga Super Bulma not is comic from Nippon person.

Someone can spend thousands of hours on the South Park games and claim there are more hours played on those than aired TV time. And what does it matter? The whole point of the Smash argument is that games have built their own valid medium on the backs of its own characters. The moment you include adaptations, Smash has no identity in games specifically. It's just a character action game, which is fine somewhere else, but not what Smash ever was. James Bond has important game adaptations that are iconic to games and so does Batman and Spider Man and many other franchises that started elsewhere. Those are all fine, but the point of Smash is that games, the underdog medium, grew in influence and prominence with characters and ideas that started in its own house. Smash celebrates that - that games didn't need adaptations like other mediums have to become prominent. Adding anime game Trunks no video supa saiya-jin to Smash in spite of that is as silly as adding Luke Skywalker - it undermines the whole point of the series. It's a ridiculous premise that I never seriously argued when I made that post, or any of the posts here until maybe 50% of this one. I wasn't attempting to hide messages. They were in bold so it would be in plain sight. That was the point. The bold words aren't even supposed to make sense. "Goku is not a video game franchise???" Of course not. He's a character, not a franchise. I'm being nonsensical, at this point only to match you nonsensically taking me seriously. You're talking about overwhelming evidence as though I'm sincerely trying to match your evidence with my jokes. I'm not. I was trying to deflate your fervor by not taking any of it seriously in response. The whole topic is silly and I'm making light of it. You keep taking that seriously against someone who clearly is not, so now I am making light of you.

See, you keep bringing up these other characters as though it's standing on equal footing. South Park, Batman, Spider-Man, James Bond, Luke Skywalker- yeah, they're all in video games and identify almost fully as characters of the medium they originated on.

 

The difference here and fatal flaw in your attempts to "deflate" is that these characters released on one medium, and that was it for a long, long time. And when they did appear in games, it was still in low numbers. The first video game about Dragon Ball released less than a year after the first episode, and less than two years after the first chapter. Video games have been ingrained in the identity of Dragon Ball since nearly the beginning. We're not talking about a trilogy of well-made Batman games or something along those lines. We're talking about consistent and numerous video game appearances that don't include cameos. Fuck, man, if we're going to discount cameos, then I'm not even sure Mario's game count surpasses Goku's.

 

But you know, feel free to make comparisons that aren't apt. And by all means, continue justifying your bait as you not taking this seriously. "I wasn't serious" is shorthand for "dammit, that's a good point".

What am I baiting you towards, exactly? How can I be short-handing admission to good points when my jokes precede your replies? I don't care if Kuririn's game count surpasses all other game franchises combined - he's not a game character. 2 years or 2 minutes after chapter 1 is still after chapter 1. His existence in games still exists as adaptations to embellish the manga. Star Wars has had many more games than on screen appearances, completely eclipsing DB in ratio, and has had a more influential impact on the medium than all of the DB games combined, which have universally been considered mediocre to bad in critical reception literally until this most recent one, being the first to touch 80% on metacritic in the franchise's entire over three decades in the medium. The only reason a game didn't come out sooner for Star Wars is because games as a medium wasn't even popular in the west when Star Wars first came out, and even then its first game predates the first DB game by a few years. All of that is to say that literally none of that makes Star Wars deserving of representation in a franchise about celebrating video game franchises, so DB doesn't even get a seat at the table. When DB stops being an adaptation, it can be in Smash. Since that's impossible, so too shall Freiza's chances in Smash be.