What is Liberty?

[Puppyroach]

vivster said:

Puppyroach said:

No, what you said was:

"Liberty is a concept for stupid people to say stupid things and further their stupid agenda."

And who spoke about absolutes? Liberty isn´t an absolute state of the world but rather a constantly moving goalpost where we try to find ways to balance absolute freedom with society as a whole. You have one end of the scale where there is no liberty at all and you have the other scale of the end with absolute liberty, even if it infringes on other people´s liberties. But the degree of liberty we have is still present on that whole scale so how can it then be a concept for stupid people?

Because stupid people are the ones constantly moving the goal posts as they please. The concept itself is useless. We shouldn't concentrate on how "free" someone is but rather how respectful we treat each other.

"Freedom" is a strawman used by stupid people to justify being assholes.

By "stupid" do you mean unintelligent or what?

And it´s not a manner of moving the goalpost as you please. You raise the matter of being respectful to other people but that is also very subjective: does it mean to ever question other people´s opinion or to questions them? To always agree with your kids behavior or to be strict and harsh? But either way we apply being respectful, we can still discuss the concept of being respectful without being, as you say, stupid. The same goes for liberty.

Because I assume you meant to be respectful when you called people who wish to discuss liberty, stupid?