The_Liquid_Laser said:
Angelus said:
A few other musings:
Howard Stark is shown to be rather incompetent in this movie. His hover car doesn't work, on the super soldier project he's a glorified assistant, and when examining the tesseract's energy he almost blows himself up. Tony must have got his genius from his mother's side of the family.
There is absolutely no way Bucky survives that fall with nothing more than a missing arm. That dude is dead. Way dead.
How did Red Skull learn about the tesseract? How did he find it? How did he and Zola build technology that would be able to harness the energy of the tesseract without even having access to it for study first? Did that imbecile Odin leave a handy tesseract instruction manual laying around somewhere?
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The first time I saw Bucky fall I thought the same thing. After rewatching the movie, I realized that he was being experimented on by Zola before his death. Since the Winter Soldier is basically like Captain America with a metal arm, I explain this whole thing by saying he already had a lot of the Winter Soldier stuff inside him when he fell. So basically he was "super powered" like Cap, but he still lost an arm.
As for Red Skull and the tesseract, I believe that Erskine says that he was always obsessed with Mythology about Odin and such and he always believed it was real. That kind of suggests he's been looking for it his whole life. And in another scene they say that Zola had been building these amazing weapons, but they didn't have an acceptable power source until they got the tesseract.
Anyway, that explains this stuff enough for me. Not saying the plot is bulletproof, but they do put these quick lines in the script here and there to try to quickly explain the stuff that seems inconsistent.
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Oh ya, of course they put their little throw away lines in there, and I mean I get it....they're not trying to make a mini series. You make a movie, you got your 2ish hours to tell a story, and depending on the scope you're gonna have to make some sacrifices to keep the pacing up. These sorts of things I don't really hold against any movie too much, which is why I just sort of threw them in offhand. They're just little details that amuse me.
As for the Bucky thing specifically, I know they were already experimenting on him, but given that they'd shown absolutely nothing about him to be physically remarkable throughout the whole film, I'm not exactly willing to stipulate that he was Winter Soldier enough already to survive that fall. Hell, I'm not even certain it would make sense for him to survive that fall even he was already at full on WS power level.
