Tulipanzo said:
KLAMarine said:
1 Almost. That's the key word here. She almost did only to win against what should have been more agile and capable spacecraft seeing as how they're smaller.
2 I don't see how such a denial is gonna impede her ability to get things done or win in fights.
3 Did either of the three dislike her though?
4 Okay, no. That's nonsense.
Here's the end result of the first time Luke faced Darth Vader:
Luke was left hanging from an antenna, was missing a hand, and was in dire need of rescue.
Here's the end result of the first time Rey faced Kylo Ren:
She won.
So no, the two aren't comparable.
5 Rey was overly competent.
6 I'm going to keep using it because it's short and to the point. If you don't like the adjective then how about this:
Rey is a Mary Sue overly competent to the point that credibility in her character and tension in the film are both destroyed.
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This is way too much of a quotefest jeez, but quick round-up
1) Crashing the Falcon would end the movie, and by Star Wars logic competence with a flying vehicle is competence with any flying vehicle (see Luke and X-Wings) and we know she has flown:
"I've flown some ships, but I've never left the planet" + She shows repeated familiarity with the Falcon's history and interior, suggesting she knows enough about it to fly it, if she hasn't flown it already ("That one is garbage")
2) "Mary Sue" delineates a near flawless character, but she's shown to have huge baggage and character flaws, unrelated btw to the larger Star Wars character roster. I.E. her past is not a way for her to perfectly fit in pre-existing story-lines, which is what the original Mary Sue point in fanfiction was about.
3) Yes, Luke and Han (at least initially). Can you read?
She's the hero, so characters ultimately trusting her, especially as she is a Force user and interested in joining the Resistance, just makes sense.
The main cast has no reason to dislike her, so why exactly would they?!
As a meta point, she clearly represents the bright-eyed optimism of Star Wars fandom, so the main cast ultimately disliking her would kind of make the point that liking Star Wars is wrong, which is just baffling!
It seems you want the main cast to dislike her because you do...
4) Are you suggesting a wounded Kylo Ren is as strong as Darth Vader? lol
Excusing that pile of nonsense, Kylo, who is bleeding out from both a gunshot to the stomach and a slash from Finn, is shown troughout to be the superior fighter. Rey barely manages to get a "win" over him by using the Force. A reminder that Kylo is trying to turn her to the Dark Side, not to kill her.
The movie is quite clear in showing that Kylo is stronger, and that the real fight isn't over yet. Like TFA will get sequels or something.
5) Ah, you really showed me here
6) The point isn't that I don't like the term, but that stupid people tend to like it a lot.
Ergo, using the term makes you look really, really stupid.
Go on though, just saves me the trouble of taking you seriously
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1. Pretty sure it wouldn't end the movie if the Falcon crashed just delay things. Luke specifically said that the X-Wing was very similar to his T-16, something he flies regularly. Even then, he didn't do any spectacular maneuvers, he just had good aim. And if she was actually familiar with the Falcon, she wouldn't have called it junk seeing as how it's the fastest ship in the galaxy. It came off more as her assuming.
2. Character flaws and baggage aren't detractors from being a Mary Sue unless it plays a significant negative impact during critical moments. Having baggage in Rey's case is more her backstory than an actual flaw. She's a Mary Sue because everyone likes and trusts her for no reason, and she's better at every specialist character's job than they are (better mechanic than Han, better Jedi than Like, etc).
3. And they end up loving her in less than 30 minutes of screentime. The problem is Star Wars movies don't have a single main character; is a roster of equality important and impactful characters. The sequel trilogy forgot that and made it The Rey Show. And there's a pretty good reason to dislike her: they have no fucking idea who she is because she doesn't know either.
4. Are you suggesting that Rey should be as good of a force user as someone with years of training and first hand experience when she just found out that she might be force sensitivity?
5. Ah, you really made a solid and relevant argument there.
6. So he's stupid for using a standardized term that you don't like for reasons? Glad you're not making things personal.
