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Soundwave on 02 January 2018
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Aeolus451 said:
Soundwave said:

I do think there are aspects of sexism at play here because this to me is just a fairly common character archetype that's used in many other movies. 

Harry "Perfect" Potter beats Draco who's been practicing/playing quiddich for all his life basically the first time he plays, lol. Every movie is "Isn't Harry so wonderful/smart/perfect". Every time Harry being great is questioned or in doubt by the end of the story the lesson is "no Harry actually was perfect/right". lol. 

Neo is basically perfect too. 

It's also a common archetype for Messiah-religious figures. Take a wild guess at one of them, though he is hardly the only one (again it's a common mythical archetype). 

They're not even breaking Star Wars canon. She's basically a repeat of the Anakin Skywalker character. Snoke says it himself, any time there is darkness in the Force, the Force will basically of its own free will create/chose a person of "light" to bring the Force back into balance. This happened before with the birth of Anakin and it's now happened again in Rey. 

Seems to me like it's canon that the Force just ups and decides to do shit if there's too much Dark Side fuckery going on. Only difference is Anakin turned out to be a douche, but even then he still fulfills the prophecy bestowed upon him in the end. 

Luke isn't a Gary Stu, but he's pretty darn close. He gets what? 5 minutes of training blocking laser buzzies and out maneuvers Darth Vader at the end of the film blowing up an entire Star Destroyer? This is like beating LeBron James at basketball after practising for a day. 

I think that you missed the main point that's the meat of this. Rey doesn't make sense in the sw universe. Force users have to be trained in the use of the force to the equivalent of a jedi knight or master to be considered overpowered or at Stu/Sue level to make sense in that universe. Anakin had to be trained since he was a kid and he still lost to his teacher who wasn't a chosen one. Do you see what I mean?  She's a Mary Sue without having any logical reason for it within that story. It violates the sw canon and it opens up alot of plot holes. There's plenty of Mary Sues in these genres and people are fine with it. It's nonsensical to assume anyone who doesn't like her don't like her because she's  a woman. 

Anakin as first presented to us is a 9 year old who without 0 training already has Jedi reflexes so fast that he's the only human who's able to fly in deadly pod-races. He's already able to build protocol droids at this age too. 

I'm not really sure he ever really needed Jedi training to be a powerful Force user, he's already well on his way at age 9. 

In any case, SW canon basically states the Force doesn't give a crap about Jedi or their training program. 

When it comes to a "chosen one" they are given all they need because they are chosen by the Force. You would have a case if the Force didn't stick its dick into Shmi Skywalker to make a baby (tell me how that makes sense). 

Force does some wacky shit in the Star Wars lore. Rey is just Anakin 2.0, but this time it doesn't look like she's prone to the Dark Side. Guess the Force got it right the second time around. Snoke says basically as much in VIII. She's chosen by the Force to meet the darkness. This doesn't apply to any other Jedi in Star Wars canon, except Anakin. 

Wouldn't be surprised to learn in IX that Rey tracks down her dead beat mom and is told that she had no father, she just got preggers one day. Same deal as Anakin. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 02 January 2018