The Fans Have Spoken, Last Jedi Drops A Massive 68%

[Soundwave]

mZuzek said:

Soundwave said:

Why is it only now that it's a big deal. The above is INTENTIONAL too. The character concept of the "golden child", "chosen one" is common in fantasy and has been for ages. The trope is a character who is basically chosen by divine choosing to bring some kind of justice/balance into a world that has been corrupted by darkness/war. Said character will exhibit exceptional abilities that go beyond reason or what any "normal" person has. Said person will often have good fortune land in their lap. Said character will often have a character that is initially jealous/resentful of their "chosen one" ablity (Draco to Harry Potter, Cypher to Neo, Kylo to Rey). 

Mostly already addressed. I kinda forgot about Harry in his first movie, he was definitely a Mary Sue there, I'll give you that - it's no wonder I think that's one of the worse HP films. Also maybe take back Neo being a Mary Sue in Reloaded and Revolutions, because just the fact that he undergoes that evolution throughout at least one entire movie means he's earned that "right to be OP", regardless of how bad the movies were.

In fact I'm starting to notice you have a thing for always making comparisons to other badly received movies here, SW prequels and Matrix trilogy galore. I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove with this.

If anything I do think the whole Mary Sue thing is sort of blown out of proportion, I don't think it's that big of an issue, though it certainly has become a bigger one since TFA. The main problem here is that Rey simply isn't much of an interesting character - I think maybe you could say the same about Harry Potter himself, but because he spends the vast majority of his 8 movies with his friends, he eventually becomes interesting if only for the relationships he develops, something Rey doesn't do with anyone in TLJ.

What I don't think you're getting is this is a character archetype that's intentional. It's not an accident. And it's not even a "new" thing, lol, sweet jeebus to all the millennials who think that. This is an ancient story trope. 

Neo's character is not a mistake, Harry Potter's is a not a mistake, neither is Rey. The character is intended to be exactly what's shown on screen. It's not some "mistake" they made writing the movie. 

Rey even follows all the hallmarks of this character design to a tee, see my examples above. She even has a foil character common to this character type (a "lesser" character who was at one time the top cheese/big fish but has their thunder stolen and becomes jealous/angry of said character). 

This stuff is all Joesph Campbell who studies mythic story archetypes going back to the beginning of story telling. It's laughable to suggest this is something new or accidental. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 02 January 2018