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Angelus on 30 December 2017
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Soundwave said:
Angelus said:

No, I agree that with this trilogy (or these two movie so far into it at least) they've made their bed, and now they have to lie in it. What I'm saying though, is that what happened here was clearly a step too far, just for the sake of trying to break from the established norms of Star Wars. Not just in a general sense, but also in terms of story beats, and expectations for payoff set up by TFA.

In the future, Disney needs to be more mindful of the continuity of Star Wars as a whole, and these big main saga movies. Like for starters, if you're gonna keep rotating through different directors for each movie in a trilogy, at least have them come together and agree on the main plot points, and themes that they wanna hit. That way you don't run into issues like here with Rain Johnson just being blatantly flippant of the entire script of the last movie (which of course, since it was basically a remake of New Hope, is thus by extension flippant of soooo much more that is dear to Star Wars fans).

In fairness to Rian Johnson ... 

JJ Abrams already established that Luke abandons his friends/family and basically allows the First Order to happen by running off to an island. There really is no good/satisfying reason for this to begin with. 

All Rian Johnson did was take that concept and probably take it to its logical end. 

Really there is no creative reason for these movies to exist. Not a chance would Luke/Han/Leia be dumb enough after all they went through to simply let their only blood relative to turn to the Dark Side because "they were too busy". 

The Skywalker Saga ends with Anakin Skywalker throwing the Emperor down that shaft. Any premise after that was always going to be flimsy. 

Except in TFA, Luke at least left a map so people could come find him. It left room for the possibility that he had retreated to this place, this ancient Jedi Temple, to learn some deeper knowledge of the force that could turn the tide of battle, or perhaps more realistically, to understand why everytime the Jedi rose to prominence, inevitably a Sith lord rises up to destroy everything. That he was trying to understand how to break the cycle. Idk, something along those lines. There's a myriad of ways one could have gone with it I'm sure. Rian Johnson though, decided to take it to an extreme, and just decide "meh.....Luke came here to be left alone and die. He didn't wanna be found." 

Moreover, JJ intentionally left a lot of leeway in his set up for the next guy coming in to play with. Did Ben Solo turn dark and burn down Luke's academy due to poor mentorship? Neglect? Was he seduced while Luke was away on some mission or other? Is the Jedi way fundamentally flawed? You could have taken it any number of ways, and Rian Johnson chose "......Luke, the guy who refused to kill Vader - who had been shown as nothing other than 100% evil to that point in the franchise - snuck into Ben's room at night, flip on his lightsaber, and in this setting, contemplate shishkebabing him."