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Soundwave on 30 December 2017
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Angelus said:
Soundwave said:

It's true though, basically the only lesson that Disney will "learn" if there is any lesson to be learned is to basically "pander to the nerds", from their POV.

If they do dumb shit now like make Rey a Skywalker or Kenobi, I'm fucking walking out of the theater. At least have the balls to stand by your creative choices. 

Otherwise lets just have a freaking movie where it pauses every 15 minutes and the audience votes on what they want to happen next. 

Making a sequel trilogy was a mistake to begin with because you have little/no creative license to work with. They should have just waited further into the future and had Episode VII begin with Luke's natural passing from old age and begun from there. Skywalker Saga ends with ROTJ, there is no need for it to continue past that.

No, I agree that with this trilogy (or these two movie so far into it at least) they've made their bed, and now they have to lie in it. What I'm saying though, is that what happened here was clearly a step too far, just for the sake of trying to break from the established norms of Star Wars. Not just in a general sense, but also in terms of story beats, and expectations for payoff set up by TFA.

In the future, Disney needs to be more mindful of the continuity of Star Wars as a whole, and these big main saga movies. Like for starters, if you're gonna keep rotating through different directors for each movie in a trilogy, at least have them come together and agree on the main plot points, and themes that they wanna hit. That way you don't run into issues like here with Rain Johnson just being blatantly flippant of the entire script of the last movie (which of course, since it was basically a remake of New Hope, is thus by extension flippant of soooo much more that is dear to Star Wars fans).

In fairness to Rian Johnson ... 

JJ Abrams already established that Luke abandons his friends/family and basically allows the First Order to happen by running off to an island. There really is no good/satisfying reason for this to begin with. 

All Rian Johnson did was take that concept and probably take it to its logical end. 

Really there is no creative reason for these movies to exist. Not a chance would Luke/Han/Leia be dumb enough after all they went through to simply let their only blood relative to turn to the Dark Side because "they were too busy". 

The Skywalker Saga ends with Anakin Skywalker throwing the Emperor down that shaft. Any premise after that was always going to be flimsy.