The Fans Have Spoken, Last Jedi Drops A Massive 68%

[Azuren]

Shadow1980 said:

Soundwave said:

People just need to fucking relax with Star Wars.

You're never getting the Original Trilogy again. That was lightning in a bottle, something that happens once in a life time. You're never going to be 9 years old again. Accept it and move on.

The only thing the sequel trilogy does is lift Star Wars from the laughably awful wooden prequels to a level that's comparable/better than modern blockbuster movies like the Marvel films, Harry Potter, etc. It's better than the Hobbit films. 

And that's all you're going to get. You're not going to get something that reaffirms your childhood, you're a grown up. Get over it. If you're going to nit pick everything to death you're never going to enjoy anything. Also Empire had a large drop from A New Hope, AOTC also had a huge drop from Phantom Menace. 

^This.

Nostalgia has clouded too many people's vision. We all grew up with Star Wars. Hell, I've been there since ROTJ was new, and I even had a couple of the old 1983-84 toys. The franchise, and especially the OT, will always be part our collective cultural consciousness. They're classics that will be fondly remembered long after we're all dead. I've watched them myself probably 200 times or more in the past 30+ years. The fact that I grew up with the OT (the original pre-special edition versions, even!) means that, regardless of quality, more recent films in the franchise will probably never fully live up to them in terms of their impact on me. We will always elevate certain classics we enjoyed as kids above films we experience in our 20s, 30s, or later. Because we grew up with them and are special to us, we tend to excuse their flaws (and what movie doesn't have flaws?). Our nostalgia has rendered them perfect in our eyes. But that doesn't mean that "New Hotness" can't also be enjoyable.

Do I like the new trilogy more than the OT? Of course not. I can't. The OT was an important part of my childhood, and I watched those three movies as often as I could (I'd go running into the living room whenever I heard this). But the new films are still immensely enjoyable movies. I watch TFA regularly, and I've enjoyed every minute of it. Rogue One had masterful cinematography and set pieces that kept me glued to the seat. And TLJ was fun movie, one which I will be seeing again Saturday, and one that has me interested and excited to see where the story goes in Episode IX. I'd give each of them a solid 8 out of 10, better than what I'd give the prequels.

But some people have some idea built up in their head about what Star Wars is supposed to be, and when their expectations get subverted, they take it personally, as if someone is shitting all over their childhood. They make overblown claims about how the new films are supposed cinematic atrocities. They engage in nitpicky complaints that one could easily lodge against the original films, and engage in special pleading to say "No, this is totally different because I say so." They exaggerate supposed flaws (e.g., calling Rey a Mary Sue when she's not). And now they go out of their way to discourage others from viewing TLJ at all just to hurt the film, and they even use specious comparisons of box office data to make the film look like a borderline flop (or at least a disappointment) when it's anything but. The sheer amount of hate from certain circles of the internet is simply beyond the pale. This thread, as well as certain other places on the internet (IGN comments section comes to mind), have turned into an "I hate NuWars!" circlejerk. It's unwarranted, unneeded, and has made the Star Wars fan community toxic as fuck. I have never seen so much salt over a fucking movie before.

You were making a good point until you decided to quote Forbes on how Rey isn't a Mary Sue. Because holy God damn shit, open your eyes.