The Fans Have Spoken, Last Jedi Drops A Massive 68%

[Azuren]

JakDaSnack said:

Azuren said:

Oh hey, here's the SECOND TIME I QUOTED YOU WITH EVIDENCE:

 

1. Luke's one gift in life was his pilot skills, which was attained through practice, not by virtue of being a female Protagonist.

2. Luke lived a normal Tatooine life; Rey "struggled" and is therefore more interesting by default.

3. Luke got fucked by Jawas and nearly got fucked in the cantina; Rey kicked the shit out of a group of armed individuals.

4. Luke was roughly on Han's level of skill when manning the guns in the MF; Rey is a goddess with all forms of technology even though that's not how the force works.

5. Luke had to struggle and concentrate to use force pull in the Wampa cave; Rey accidentally used force pull to much greater effectiveness with no effort from a further distance.

6. Luke not only lost his first lightsaber duel, but lost a damn hand in the process and nearly died; Rey humiliated Kylo, whose only disadvantage seemed to be because he was male.

7. Luke never pulled off any high level force techniques until he'd trained for 3 years; Rey accidentally did the mind trick on the second try.

8. Luke's skill with a blaster could be explained by his proficiency for gunning things down in his ship on Tatooine; Rey instinctively got a kill shot the second time she ever fired a blaster and proceeded  to get an insane kill:shot ratio.

9. Luke struggled and failed to lift an X-wing, and barely managed to lift three rocks while balancing; Rey lifted rocks like it ain't no thang and does zero effort.

First actually lol.  But first you are comparing a character through a trilogy vs comparing another character with 1.  None of these talk about TLJ.  So for fairness let’s compare A new hope arguments vs TFA.  If you want we can add ESB and TLJ later.  

1. It’s never established how good a pilot Luke is.  Just through a couple comments made by Luke.  But during the attack on the Death Star they sent the best pilots out first, while Luke and company went last (wedge left the fight, so obviously they weren’t great).  However, while a more experienced pilot missed the hole, Luke hit it on his first try.  Aka Mary Sue.

2. Dumb argument lol.  They created 3 very difference characters Poe, Finn and Rey.  All of them are interesting for different reasons.

3. Luke was a sheltered child, Rey survived on her own for all of her life.  She couldn’t do so unless she was a quick learner.  She carries a bow staff around for a reason.

4. WTF? Han was an expert at manning the guns, magically so was Luke. She spent her life fixing things, breaking stuff down, selling stuff etc.  of course she understands technology.

5. TLJ “I’ve only seen this power once before, it didn’t scare me then, it does now”

6. Rey can use a bow staff, it’s not farfetched she can use a laser sword.  According to the TFA scripts, killing Han weakened Kylo Ren, also he was shot, also he was trying to capture, not kill.  

7. See number 5

8. And storm troopers got decimated by teddy bears lol.  Clearly they aren’t the smartest bunch.  I don’t remember Luke gunning things down on Tatooine with his ship, so I’ll have to pass on this one.

9. See number 5.

I guess I ended up commenting on all of them, oh well. And if you need me to elaborate on number 5 I can, but my point is that the force made Rey and Ben abnormally strong.  So obviously she would be more powerful than Luke at first.  

1. It is, actually. When discussing the Death Star run, he points out that he bullseye's target that small all the time in spite of more experienced pilots commenting on how impossible that is.

 

2. And then made Rey a better pilot than Poe and a better warrior than Finn.

 

3. Rey's lack of understanding on how to use blasters and her diminutive stature would imply she only ever defended herself, yet she had zero issue taking down bounty hunters coming after BB-8. Yeah, no.

 

4. And Luke spent most of his childhood training to use guns on ships (see no. 1), and that was Han's schtick. Rey admittedly never flew a ship like the Falcon before. Didn't stop her from being goddamn perfect at it.

 

5. Oh hey, thanks for proving that she's a Mary Sue. If you don't understand how her being naturally better at the Force than the fucking CHOSEN ONE makes her a Mary Sue, I suggest you just resign to watching your bad movies.

 

6. Then you clearly have no understanding of lightsabers. Zero weight in the nearly-infinite cutting edge makes for a dangerous and hard to use weapon. There's a reason non-force users avoid using lightsabers and why Jedi don't receive theirs until far into their training.

 

7. See number 5

 

8. A stormtrooper has zero effect on one's ability to aim. And again, it is referenced that Luke was a pretty good shot in his T-16.

 

9. See number 5

 

And I guess you failed to actually address any of them properly. Except 5, 7, and 9. Thanks for proving my point on those.

Last edited by Azuren - on 27 December 2017