The Fans Have Spoken, Last Jedi Drops A Massive 68%

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Puppyroach said:

thismeintiel said:

The defense of the Mary Sue thing is probably the one of the most bizarre parts of this.  She fits the description to a T.  But, because people feel the need to like the film and/or because the media and Hollywood have taken the stance that if you call her a Mary Sue you are sexist, people are afraid to label her what she is.  They either give weak reasons, claim Luke is one then (probably the worse offense), or just call you sexist, "You just don't like having a girl in the treehouse."  All strawman arguments.  The truth is, Rey would be just as unlikable as a man.  In fact, it's the reason that people hated the young Anakin in TPM.  Fortunately, Lucas had the insight to fix that in the future episodes, where here they just made it worse, which has brought more people over to the side of her being a Mary Sue.

Really, if we weren't in such a heightened political climate, I think even more people would admit that they recognize she is a Mary Sue, which would probably take their enjoyment of this movie down a notch or two.

From Wikipedia:

A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment.^[1] They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience. Sometimes, the name is reserved only for women, but more often the name is used for both genders. A male can also be referred to as a Marty Sue or Gary Stu, but Mary Sue is used more commonly.

In what way does this not apply to both Luke and Rey? I completely agree that she is a Mary Sue, but so is Luke. Rey might be quicker to learn many of the abilities that Luke learned but they are both exceptionally fast compared to even Anakin.

My issue with  alot (not all) of the criticism I have heard is that people claim that she is a Mary Sue because the writers/directors want to make the male characters look bad, yet these critics can´t point to a single event or line of dialogue that would point to this in the movies. I agree with you that the political discourse is toxic right now, but I would claim it comes from both feminists and anti-feminists (ofcourse not all of them) where the analysis of different matters is highly irrational and emotional in nature.

Because Luke fails a lot, is not a perfect Jedi, and required years of training to best an enfeebled Vader. If you want to argue that she isn't a Mary Sue, then maybe do a bit of research on the characters you're comparing her to.