The Fans Have Spoken, Last Jedi Drops A Massive 68%

[Azuren]

thismeintiel said:

Azuren said:

You really need to read up on the definition of a Mary Sue. Wanting to go back to Jakku doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

And Finn was wasted in favor of the Mary Sue. He could have had a subplot overcoming his fear culminating in a rematch with Adam  Driver's awful interpretation of a Sith. Instead, he has been relegated to an unimportant status by virtue of "Everyone focus on the Mary Sue".

 

If you want to discuss how Rey is or isn't a Mary Sue, you'll have to read my post a few pages back.

The defense of the Mary Sue thing is probably the one of the most bizarre parts of this.  She fits the description to a T.  But, because people feel the need to like the film and/or because the media and Hollywood have taken the stance that if you call her a Mary Sue you are sexist, people are afraid to label her what she is.  They either give weak reasons, claim Luke is one then (probably the worse offense), or just call you sexist, "You just don't like having a girl in the treehouse."  All strawman arguments.  The truth is, Rey would be just as unlikable as a man.  In fact, it's the reason that people hated the young Anakin in TPM.  Fortunately, Lucas had the insight to fix that in the future episodes, where here they just made it worse, which has brought more people over to the side of her being a Mary Sue.

Really, if we weren't in such a heightened political climate, I think even more people would admit that they recognize she is a Mary Sue, which would probably take their enjoyment of this movie down a notch or two.

Anakin never stepped this far into Mary Sue territory. When he was young it granted him enhanced perception, and was justified by him being the god damn chosen one. When he was older, his skill was a combination of years of training and being the chosen one. And then when he finally became drunk on the idea of being the chosen one, Obi-wan cut his damn legs off. Anakin was troubled and his skills were well explained. Rey is just spayshul and can do master level Jedi shit with no training or knowledge of the techniques.

 

And yeah, it seems like no one wants to admit it for fear of political persecution. I didn't have any of these issues with the protag in RO. In fact, RO's only flaw was that blind guy not being a fallen Jedi (not enough Jedi in that movie). The rest of the movie was solid, and each character has their purpose. You could get rid of everyone but Rey and call EpVIII the "Rey Happy Hour" and the plot would hardly change. It all pivots on the worst character in ALL of Star Wars.