| ratchet426 said: Just some counter-arguments from someone who actually thought TLJ was pretty good. Not "fantastic", but certainly not "the worst movie EVAH! They RUINED the franchise for me!" 1. "ruining" Luke: He banished himself on that island because he felt that any interaction with force-sensitives would go horribly wrong again, like it did with Kylo. He can't forgive himself for not saving his own nephew from sliding down the dark path. Yes, he's old(er) and bitter now, and wants nothing to do with his former conceit as The Great Jedi Master Luke. He even says that his ego caused his failure with Ben/Kylo, so he has shed that part of his past forever. It's called "character development" folks. Just because Luke Skywalker hasn't remained the exact same person he was at the end of Return of the Jedi doesn't make TLJ a bad movie for "ruining" him. 2. Rey is just a "nobody" afterall: ...And? Why does every hero character have to has some kind of divine lineage to previous trilogy characters to be considered valid? So maybe Rey isn't a Skywalker or a Solo or a Kenobi or a Palpatine or whatever. Who cares? And besides, you're basing the conclusion that her parents were nobodies because Kylo Ren _said so_? Who's to say he wasn't bullshitting her to get her to join him? 3. Snoke was useless and killed off for no reason: Says who? Because his body was sliced in half by a lightsaber? If Luke was able to astral project a solid image of himself from thousands of light years away who's to say Snoke wasn't doing the same thing? What better way to manipulate Kylo/Rey without their knowledge then to make them believe he's dead? 4. The various CGI animals: Is this really a gripe? The Porgs were annoying comedic relief but were in the movie for what? 30 seconds of screen time total? Same thing with the ice foxes. Granted the big horse-dog things were given a good 10minutes during a pretty lame subplot, but overall why is seeing new life forms a deal breaker? Wasn't the Mos Eisley canteena just an excuse to show a bunch of weird aliens? And isn't that scene revered as a classic? Anyway, just my take. |
Yes, because his body was cut in half by a lightsaber. That's what proves Snoke was actually there. Luke ducked all of Kylo's lightsaber attacks, because if they ever made contact, Kylo would go right through him too soon, and not give the Rebels time to escape. When Kylo finally does thrust his lightsaber through Luke, it goes right through him because he was just an astral projection. Snoke was literally cut in half, because he was there. And, his sliced in half corpse remained there for ever throne room scene after, because he was there. The bottom half of his body even falls off of the throne in a later scene, because he was there. Unless you think Snoke was hiding in the next room the entire time, so committed to his ruse that he force projects the bottom half of his body falling off the throne as an exclamation point to his gag. (That would actually be a nice deleted scene that would fit in with the first half of the film's tone which felt more like a live action Seth McFarlane's "Blue Harvest" episode of Family Guy instead of being an actual Star Wars movie.)
The point being, that there is no way that was a force projection of Snoke. If you said "body double", then maybe. But, even this I doubt. Because then you have to combine a body double being there acting like Snoke, and Snoke still having to control the room to force snatch the lightsaber back from Rey which is redundant and makes Snoke look cowardly (afraid to be in the same room as Kylo and Rey) instead of over-confident.
