Replaced Rare?

[Jumpin]

mZuzek said:

Jumpin said:

You have to back up your statements, otherwise, your argument falls apart.

No.

First, because it's a freaking opinion, and one I strongly believe in. Personally I don't see any comparison between DKC 2 and DKCTF, the latter is just an infinitely superior game in pretty much everything (never mind Goldeneye vs. Metroid Prime, the former is an awfully dated mess whereas the latter is a timeless masterpiece).

Secondly, stop twisting my argument for your own benefits. When I say Rare fans prefer Perfect Dark to Goldeneye, I'm not talking stuff I read online and definitely not lists from official publications (which spoilers, always value importance a lot more than actual quality), I'm talking about real people I've talked to. Also, at no point did I ever say more people play Metroid Prime today than Goldeneye (or the same for DKCR/DKCTF over the original trilogy), I only stated those games aged much better (then again even as a kid in the early 2000's I didn't enjoy Goldeneye).

Seriously though, stop trying to debate opinions as if they were facts. If I say Rare is overrated that doesn't mean they factually sucked, it means I don't hold them in as high regard as most people, and my opinion won't budge just because you send me Destructoid articles or whatever stating otherwise - if anything, they strengthen my opinion, since that is exactly what "overrated" stands for.

When I state an opinion, and potentially a controversial one, the kind of discussion I'm looking for is the one where other people also talk about their opinions, not one where I get sent loads of articles as if those were some sort of undeniable proof that I'm wrong.

You're playing the victim here. And accusing me of something that you yourself are guilty of.

When I stated that Retro didn't have a GE007/DKC calibre game. You posted:
"Yet both their takes on DKC and FPS (first-person "adventure" okay, whatever) were a lot better than these." - stating an opinion as a fact.

You started the argument, and so I was forced to clarify what I meant by my initial statement with: sales figured, industry recognition, technological and design innovations.  This is not me stating my opinion as fact, this is me backing up my position with facts.

You then argued that more people are playing Metroid Prime today, that Rare fans are saying that GE007 is overrated and nowhere near as good as Perfect Dark. You're stating facts - it can't be your opinion since these are things we can verify as being true or false.

I then provided you with ample amounts of evidence which points out your points are probably not true; since it is clear more people prefer the original DKC games, and that more people (at least when it comes to lets plays) are playing GE007; despite the fact that the last time GE007 had a release was 20 years ago, and Metroid Prime has had two re-releases in the past few years - again, it's not me stating my opinion as a fact when I say "GE007 was last released in 1997 and Metroid Prime had rereleases on Wii and Wii U" - these are facts.

In short: If you're going to start an argument, don't make claims you can't back, don't backpedal and play the victim when you lose. Making yourself into the victim doesn't automatically grant any legitimacy to anything you've said.

Last edited by Jumpin - on 14 December 2017