Pemalite said:
Locknuts said:
Well that's just an assumption on your part.
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Sorry. I somehow missed your reply.
Also. That is not an assumption on my part.
You did state that you do not believe that all Australians should be seen and treated as equals in the eyes of the law as that is how you voted by ticking "no" on the survey. That's the fact, no amount of spin you try changes that inherent fact.
Locknuts said:
I think people should be treated as equals and that marriage as an institution should be taken away from government control. Every couple should be able to register themselves as a couple with the government (gay or straight) but that marriage as an institution should only be performed by religious institutions. Then everyone's happy.
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So. What about Atheists? They should forgo the right to marry? Having religions control marriage is not going to make Atheists happy, which is sizable demographic in Australia. (29.6% or 7.1 million Australians at the last census and GROWING, they are the majority.)
http://www.news.com.au/national/no-religion-tops-religion-question-in-census/news-story/a3b45e6b2e35df695932a83535078f51
The fact is marriage is an institution embedded in Australian law, what you think it "should" be is ultimately irrelevant, we live in the real world, not baseless hypotheticals and what-ifs.
Locknuts said:
Well it comes down to me being naturally conservative. I like to keep things the way they are if they aren't totally broken.
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Doesn't matter if you are conservative or progressive.
The fact is... Millions of conservatives came out and voted yes. - And same-sex marriage was even passed whilst a conservative Government was in power.
Locknuts said:
I see marriage as an institution rather than a legal right for citizens. You simply need to qualify to join in.
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Doesn't matter how you see it. Doesn't change what it fundamentally is. A legal construct embedded in legislative law. Aka. The Marriage Act.
And all Australians should be seen and treated as equals in the eyes of the law.
Locknuts said:
I have nothing against gays as I don't believe homosexuality is immoral.
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No one said you did have anything against Homosexuals.
In the end, you were given the right to vote no and I respect that. - I don't have to respect your reasoning though which is bullshit.
Locknuts said:
I also feel that marriage should be taken from government control and given back to the church. Then everyone could be treated equally under the law and the religious people would be happy too. The government has too much power over such things (and most things generally).
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That contradicts your prior statement that you are conservative and (I quote) "I like to keep things the way they are if they aren't totally broken."
Essentially you wish to change the narrative to fit in with your own agenda.
Remember, marriage predates religion, marriage has always been up to the state in Australia, thus you are advocating change.
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Wow ok so I should be able to clear this up pretty quickly: I don't want the government involved in my marriage and I don't want to give them any more power than they already have. A major part of what makes me conservative is that I want small government. I believe that the government is already so big and powerful that our current system is unsustainable and thus: broken.
Any opportunity to give the government more power than the unsustainable amount they already have will be met with a 'no' vote from me. Whether it's involving them further with people's relationships or increasing handouts, it's always a no until the government is small enough.
