Justice league disappoints at the American box office

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torok said:

irstupid said:

I'm of the opposite spectrum. Pretty much everything that was Wheden I hated.

The random Russian family? Stupid. Supid Stupid. Stepenwolf sets up base in some abandoned nuclear facility where there is no people, he is hidden, ect. It shows many scenes of the parademons, thousands of them, checking like every house windows. Yet this family goes unnoticed? If there were any people living in that nuclear fallout zone, they would have been found and killed in seconds. Remember, apparently parademons can smell fear and hone in on it in seconds. Apparantly that family was not scared at all? But then since they were there, superman and flash need to leave final battle to have a quick save two people scene. Just wasted time. Felt like in Avengers movies where you had that random chick being saved by Cap, or in Age of Ultron you had some random person focused in the saving. It just is awkward. How many minutes did we waste on the Russian family scenes that could have been used to show some more flash/cyborg backstory or more of aquaman in atlantis. Hell, go rewatch the most recent justice league trailer. There is like a full minutes worth of stuff in that trailer alone that is not in the movie.

The parademons main mission was locating and securing the mother boxes. The rest of the casualties were basically a side effect, their objective was fully converting everyone. Also, it's hardly impossible for a few people to escape their search.

About them saving the family, heroes are supposed to go out of their way to save people. Just read Death of the Superman. He was fighting an unstoppable monster that could clearly kill him and he would go out of his way to save anyone in danger, he would let the monster get a bunch of free punches on him just to save someone. That's the real Superman, not that ridiculous douche that Snyder puts on films, that will let a bunch of people die because he is to distracted punching Zod in the face.

This kind of stuff is there to show that the heroes are trying to save people instead of just punching superpowered bad dudes. Superman flying away to save civilians even with Steppenwolf almost destroying the Earth was the most Superman-like thing they ever used put on the DCU.

Yes, pretty much all of superman lines were Wheden. And all of his lines were very cringeworthy. Do you bleed? Really. The world needs me, not you? Really? I wish I was dead? Really? Besides looking horrible CGI lip, they were either a cringy joke or just so so so out of character. The whole batman/superman do you bleed scene completely made that scene ruined. It went from being a Superman being resurrected that was confused/lost/instinct mode that was seemingly defending himself to all of sudden he was doing evil things. He recognized Batman and was going to kill him. Before that, it was your typical person gets resserected and isn't themselves. But at the Batman part it was superman killing batman.

He was clearly confused due to his resurrection and pissed off. He saw Batman and remembered that he tried to kill him and jumped on him. Just mind that this whole scene was Snyder's. Whedon changed the dialogue but the scene is the same.

What you refer as "cheesiness" is exactly what Superman is on comic books. He is a bit cheesy, that's why he is called "big blue boy scout". The kind of lines he said were not out of character, they were exactly what the character is supposed to be. The whole characterization they used on MoS and BvS was totally out of character. In BvS he was just a big bully.

The worst part of the whole movie, which pretty sure was Wheden, was the Batman/Wonder Woman romance section. The whole part where they are searching for the motherboxes/Steppenwolf and Batman goes to take off his suit to look at his bruises. WW shows up randomly wearing some red cape/scarf thing. WTF. Why did she all of a sudden throw that on? Guessing it somehow helped hide her pregnancy, but regardless it was jarring. But then we were stuck suffereing through some wheden fanboy Bruce/Diana romance. Why do all female super heroes need to be forced into a romance? I'm sure the fans of Wonder Woman movie, loved seeing her reduced to a Batman conquest.

I don't know who's idea was that. It doesn't really bothered me because a bunch of good adaptations added stuff between Bats and WW. It's not really that forced.

And every batman fan should be pissed at this movie. Not only did he not really have any epic moments, such as the warehouse scene in BvS, but he also was apparently Tony Stark. He had so many freaking jokes and was completely a non batman. Tell me in what comic or even animated thing has batman ever acted as he did in this movie? The whole movie he was either cracking a joke or moping about killing superman.

Every REAL Batman fan should be pissed at Snyder for making Batman a murderer on BvS. That is exactly what Batman isn't.

He really wasn't exaggerated in any kind of jokes. But In recon that Batman on the comics usually only throws a joke eventually and is usually more ironic.

It also wouldn't justify the crap critics throw at this film about the film with a parody like Thor Ragnarok sitting at a 90+ RT score even if it makes Thor a total buffon.

Parademons whole mission was yes find boxes, and as you said they killed casualties n the way. Which those people were in their place, and the movie made it abundantly clear that fear was like a homing beacon to them. Yes this terrified family sitting on their front steps is ignored. Most superman thing he has done? He saved people in his first fight in Man of Steel. He stopped fighting the two kryptonians to save a guy flaling from a helicopter and allowed himself to get a free punch taken. He took doomsday into space and even allowed himself to get nuked. Also he died for humanity. Hell, he even killed the last kryptonian to save a random family. Him flying off to pick up a big building for a comedy gag doesn't all of a sudden make him superman.

The resurrection yes, was all Snyder, until batman showed up. Then it was all reshoots. You can tell by Batman's body and face shape as well as Superman's fake cgi face. So him chocking and death threats to batman as well as batmans I'm bleeding line are all Wheden. How was Superman a bully in the previous movies?

The Diana/Bruce thing was forced. It was awkward and out of place in the time of the movie. Her outfit only made it even more glaringly out of place. But how about we talk about the sexualization of Wonder Woman. She has the most highly rated and loved DC movie to date, yet in this series she is brought back to basically a sex object. I dont' know who was the filmer in the scenes, but there were quite a lot of butt shots that you could see he actual skin of her butt. Every single member of the justice league except superman made jokes about her being super attractive and wanting her. Flash fell on her boobs during an intense action scene for a joke. Reminded me of Age of Ultron where Black Widow was forced into a weird romance with Hulk, and coincidentally enough there was also a scene were someone fell into her boobs. And as I said, she 'needs' a romance in the movie.  Also heard people complain about her normal clothes being very risque. I didn't notice that, cause all actresses in all movies seem to dress unreasonably sexy in every scene.

Or how about Lois's Thirsty joke. That was horrible. Considering what is all going on in Hollywood right now with sexual harassment, this movie was really bad towards women.

Don't give a shit about critics. They are weird to me. They hate on comic book movies and want original stuff, yet praise each new marvel comic book movie.

Batman murdering. I hate when "fans" get upset about that. Batman has killed in comics, canon and non canon versions. He has killed in every single movie he was in. Hell, he even made jokes as he killed in the Keatonverse. But lets not compare apples to oranges, lets just talk about this universe alone. Him being a grizzled worn down, broken Batman who has fallen was the freaking whole point of BvS. He has a line in the movie alone the lines of "How many good many have we known, how many have stayed that way" Or how about Bales line in one of his movies. "You either die the hero or live long enough to be the villain". Both of those quotes clearly work for this batman. Batman was the villain for the first 2/3rds of that movie.

Everyone wants their DC superheroes to be how they want them. Which is a bit impossible, considering there is like 20 versions of each one. Do you want the Donner Superman? The new 52 Superman? The golden age superman? Silver age? Red Son Superman? Ect. Same for batman. There are a million variants and fans can't seem to be happy unless its their perfect one. Marvel has it easier as their characters are basically unkown to 99% of the public beyond the movies.