torok said:
This film went way over budget really due to the reshoots. Rumors say that 15-20% of the film is the Whedon part, which means most cuts removed Snyder's work. It seems that BvS still impacted JL, so the best way to go is removing Snyder from the direction. I'm not sure if it's entirely his fault, but he is too associated to these failures to keep going. Matt Reeves said in a recent interview that Snyder will remain (he also said that Ben Affleck will remain as Batman), but I take that with a grain of salt. I believe it's more likely that Warner keeps Joss Whedon for the JL. I've read that most of the Superman scenes on the film were either filmed by Whedon or edited to fit his vision. And that's a way better Superman than what Snyder showed on MoS and BvS: he is now hopeful and light-hearted and that's the real Superman. The whole russian family was Whedon and I thought it added a bit of heart to the end drama, with the heroes going out of their way to save them. Whedon also added all these stuff about the Flash lacking confidence during battles, which was a nice touch since he really has way less experience than the others (except Cyborg). The first post-credit scene is also Whedon and that was a big nod to comic book fans and ended up great. You can check the rumored changes Whedon did here: (CAUTION: HUGE SPOILERS ON THIS LINK) - https://www.reddit.com/r/DCEUleaks/comments/7dob2k/resetera_insider_leaks_snyder_original_cut_details/ If this is all true, then Whedon really improved the film a LOT. Most of the things Snyder did that were left out were a bit crappy and the Whedon changes were key to make characters more relatable. |
I'm of the opposite spectrum. Pretty much everything that was Wheden I hated.
The random Russian family? Stupid. Supid Stupid. Stepenwolf sets up base in some abandoned nuclear facility where there is no people, he is hidden, ect. It shows many scenes of the parademons, thousands of them, checking like every house windows. Yet this family goes unnoticed? If there were any people living in that nuclear fallout zone, they would have been found and killed in seconds. Remember, apparently parademons can smell fear and hone in on it in seconds. Apparantly that family was not scared at all? But then since they were there, superman and flash need to leave final battle to have a quick save two people scene. Just wasted time. Felt like in Avengers movies where you had that random chick being saved by Cap, or in Age of Ultron you had some random person focused in the saving. It just is awkward. How many minutes did we waste on the Russian family scenes that could have been used to show some more flash/cyborg backstory or more of aquaman in atlantis. Hell, go rewatch the most recent justice league trailer. There is like a full minutes worth of stuff in that trailer alone that is not in the movie.
Yes, pretty much all of superman lines were Wheden. And all of his lines were very cringeworthy. Do you bleed? Really. The world needs me, not you? Really? I wish I was dead? Really? Besides looking horrible CGI lip, they were either a cringy joke or just so so so out of character. The whole batman/superman do you bleed scene completely made that scene ruined. It went from being a Superman being resurrected that was confused/lost/instinct mode that was seemingly defending himself to all of sudden he was doing evil things. He recognized Batman and was going to kill him. Before that, it was your typical person gets resserected and isn't themselves. But at the Batman part it was superman killing batman.
The worst part of the whole movie, which pretty sure was Wheden, was the Batman/Wonder Woman romance section. The whole part where they are searching for the motherboxes/Steppenwolf and Batman goes to take off his suit to look at his bruises. WW shows up randomly wearing some red cape/scarf thing. WTF. Why did she all of a sudden throw that on? Guessing it somehow helped hide her pregnancy, but regardless it was jarring. But then we were stuck suffereing through some wheden fanboy Bruce/Diana romance. Why do all female super heroes need to be forced into a romance? I'm sure the fans of Wonder Woman movie, loved seeing her reduced to a Batman conquest.
And every batman fan should be pissed at this movie. Not only did he not really have any epic moments, such as the warehouse scene in BvS, but he also was apparently Tony Stark. He had so many freaking jokes and was completely a non batman. Tell me in what comic or even animated thing has batman ever acted as he did in this movie? The whole movie he was either cracking a joke or moping about killing superman.
