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Goodnightmoon said:

To be critic with your country is a fundamental step to start changing it, so don't feel the need to excuse you for that, people should be critical, but sometimes we lose perspective of things, we see all the shit happening and we forget to look at the other side. I do have faith in Spain, but my faith is with the young generations like us, Spain is plenty of old people that is not gonna change, people extremelly afraid of changes and many of them still have Franco in their subsconcious, but this is not gonna be like this forever, if you look Spain 50 years ago and compare it with how is Spain now, the change is spectacular and that change happened still with Franco in the subsconcious, imagine when we finally erase that for good, every poll and inform shows how youngster are way more open minded in everything that the older generations and specially more open minded than our government, most young people thing that Spain should give Catalonia a legal referendum, most of them think PP is cancer, most of them want to change things. So give it time, because, as we say here: Segur que tomba.

That's normal human behaviour, maybe both of you will become more conservative as you grow older? I have an uncle who has flipped both extremes as he grew older, from communist ideals during the regime to super conservative in these past few years.

The problem in Spain is that the two Spains (the civil war) is ingrained in society, which might be normal in politics but to us it reverts back to times of pain. Our grandparents (great-grandparents for some?) wasted away their youths during that time, it is something they had to go through and suffer so we could have what we have today. Luckily we haven't participated in anything to that extent, so we should be free of those experiences. Still there are people that have this hate filled in them and lash out for things that's half a century ago (and for example we have the Portuguese in this thread with stigma from half a millennium ago).

Politics have now become a caricature, PP and PSOE are seen as extreme right or left depending who you talk to, and like you mention Podemos is seen with fear from older people. I don't know, maybe my uncertainty comes from the corruption that's filled in both left and right during these years of democracy. Quite a few politicians instead of working for the people, they just think of themselves. I have grown quite discontent with all political parties and it's always a struggle deciding who to vote during the elections, because in the end they are all the same shit.

Last edited by TomaTito - on 08 November 2017

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