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DonFerrari said:
VAMatt said:

CoD sales are far lower than they were a decade ago, yes.  AC had to take a year off, because they could read the writing on the wall.  FIFA - well, it certainly has not lost any steam that I'm aware of.  

I agree, obviously, that the sales to userbase correlation is not 1:1.  But, it is a *fact* that a game's sales are limited by the install base of the console on which it appears.  So, there is a connection.  

I'll offer this as well, as an occasional Forza player - the game is just the same thing over and over again.  I don't want to play it often enough to buy a new version every two years, expecially with Horizon in the intervening years.  I certainly don't want to buy it anywhere near the launch window, when the price is high.  I own Horizon 1 and 2, and Motorsport 5 and 6.  I think I may have one of the earlier Motorsports that I've forgotten about as well.  But, I've gotten half of them for free with XBL, and purchased the other 2 for less than $20 each, well after launch.  

I also own a PS4.  In contrast to Forza, I'm a bit interested in picking up GT in the nearish future.  I won't likely buy it while it is $60.  But, I may get it in 6 months or so, at $35-$40.  There is no way that I'd pay $40 for a Forza game, unless it had some very major changes from the previous one. That's not because I like GT more than Forza.  In fact, I'd say I've had more fun with Forza games than I have with GT.  Its because I haven't burned out on continuous GT releases. 

I'm certainly not the only person in this boat.

Lower to half the previous number? AC took a break because of the bug ridden games not saturation.

Yes games are limited to the userbase size, but when a game sells 2M on a 30M userbase you can't fault the userbase (even more when FM5 done more than FM6 on a lot smaller userbase).

There are probably several reasons for Forza dropping sales but certainly we will all hear that Forza is the king of simulators because critics give it better grades than GT due to paintjobs and other cosmetic stuff.

Jigsawx1 said:

you really hope that right?

That X1 is weaker than PS4 in Europe and that GTS coming will take the spotlight from Forza?

Don't need to hope for it to happen.

And when will you give any constructive discussion on this forum?

I never will write something constructive on a bash thread sorry.........