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Soundwave on 04 May 2017
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RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

I said they should consider a content sharing deal with MS/Sony not go third party (one in which they get exclusives from Sony/MS on Switch/NX and more than vice versa as well), which I'd still be ok with. I did not expect them to execute so well in launching the Switch with regards to being able to find an older audience though, I'll gladly admit that. 

But you have been saying for years now that Nintendo must focus on casual gaming and they can't compete with Sony/MS for that core audience ... yet Switch is doing exactly what you said Nintendo couldn't do. 

Almost 80% of Switch buyers are not buying 1,2 Switch or Just Dance. They are buying core product like Zelda with an insane attach rate. Maybe, just maybe that formula of aiming at core players can work too, Switch is its own system, it doesn't have to be a Wii 3, in fact it would be selling worse if it was in any way branded as a Wii anything. 

That's the strawman argument that is so typical for you. If I've been saying this for years, then it shouldn't be a problem for you to find a post of mine where I say exactly that; but you won't find such a post. You see gaming in a binary way (hardcore and casual), so whenever someone says that Nintendo shouldn't do the same thing that Sony and Microsoft do, then your process of elimination leads to this answer: "Person says Nintendo shouldn't do hardcore gaming, therefore person says Nintendo must do casual gaming."

Switch is doing exactly what I said that Nintendo should do. Switch is not like the PS4 and XB1, and Switch doesn't have AAA third party games. Of course Switch isn't casual gaming either, because that idea only exists in your mind. You see males in their 20s, 30s and 40s buying Switch and you instantly conclude that those must be the same ones who buy PS4s and XB1s. But it's not those people who drive Switch sales, otherwise the reception of Switch would have been a lot more positive on gaming forums. What we've witnessed in the past few months is pretty much the opposite, Switch was met with hostility.

The current driving force behind the high Switch sales are former gamers who see a system and a Zelda that return to the strengths of the 8- and 16-bit generations. Those gamers were also there for the Wii, but people like you lumped then in with soccer moms and all the other unwanted gamers. That's why you couldn't see how great Switch is. You were blinded by your prejudice, and you still are. That's why you are now desperate to assign Switch success to PS4 and XB1 gamers.

You've been saying for many years that the Wii/motion gaming audience is coming back and Nintendo should hang their hat on that type of gaming. 

The Switch isn't doing that. Firstly, it doesn't need a gimmick to be unique like the Wii did. Switch is unique because it's a portable console, it is automatically unique when set next to a PS4/XB1/PS3/Wii U/360/PC. You cannot put any of those into your back pack and go. And it is unique next to a 3DS because a 3DS can't offer the scale of experience that feels anywhere close to a console. So there's no need in this case for Nintendo to bend over backwards to say they're special/different, Switch automatically is. That is already achieved, day 1. 

As for casual/core dilenation Nintendo themselves uses these terms, but fine, if you want specific terminology, I'll put it this way -- Switch is succeeding without a Wii Sports/Brain Training/Wii Fit/Nintendogs type break out hit, is it not? 1,2 Switch has 80% of the Switch userbase not buying it, Just Dance is not selling great, but Legend of Zelda is selling at an incredible rate. So unlike Wii/DS, Switch is already very different, we see it is selling better without "benefit" of a casual/blue ocean/"whatever the hell you want to call it" hit game. 

And what is the new Zelda? It's a AAA core gamer experience that takes definite notes and inspiration from other modern open-world games (aka: namely Skyrim and there's nothing fucking wrong with that). It doesn't matter if its 1st, 2nd, 3rd party, as long as Nintendo has a decent flow of games that people would consider to be a home console game like that, but it is playable on Switch, the system will do well. That's the appeal right there.

And I dunno about you, but the reception to Switch in the core gaming community has been quite positive as far as I can tell, yeah sure you can point to some boo-birds but so what, some of them also hate on the Xbox One. I've shown Switch with Zelda to many PS4/XBox owners and the response is overwhelmingly positive with many of them saying they want to buy one. 

I've been talking about a hybrid console and the Tegra X1 for years. You're upset about stupid arguements you had with PS/XB owners 10 years ago (probably with 11 year old kids) that you can't get over and now need to have some kind of weird "revenge" against them. I don't give a shit about any of that, lol. As far as I see it, that was Nintendo territory to begin with, Sony's big game this spring is what? A Ken Griffey Jr. MLB title, their big game for the holiday is a Star Wars cross-promotion, gee, hmmm .... wonder where I've seen that before.