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Johnw1104 said:
Soundwave said:

None of those games are selling well. Is Wii Fit U less fun than Wii Fit? Or Nintendo Land less fun than Wii Play? Or Mario & Sonic Olympics less fun than previous version of Wii that sold like 7+ million copies? Is Brain Training on 3DS that much worse than Brain Training on DS to justify the huge collapse in sales?

These games are not selling well anymore not because of quality issues, it's because of an audience issue. 

The issue isn't really quality or fun, not to mention, lets be real, Wii Sports was never even one of the 50 highest quality games Nintendo has ever made (not even close). 

To be honest, Nintendo has worked so hard to get rid of the Wii brand, that really at this point I think they should just let it die. If 1,2 Switch was a reasonable hit (like say 5 million copies) ... ok fine, maybe there's something there, but without heavy bundling/discounting it's not going to get there. Let the Switch be it's own thing. 

Right now Switch has a good image as a serious game platform, don't fuck this up Nintendo. Keep that Wii/Touch Generations stuff away, you are going to poison the brand image of it. 

Oh I certainly don't think they should ever use the "wii" name again lol, but there's definitely still a market for fun motion control games. The main issue is that they shouldn't be the norm, nor should they be shoehorned into games like they were with the Wii/Wii U.

I actually love a lot of old NES sports titles, and totally adored one series of games that had a certain look and feel that was just so hilarious and funny that I knew must somehow be connected to River City Ransom as a kid... these ones specifically:

For the most part since looking back I've found that the majority of truly fun and memorable sports titles weren't actually developed by Nintendo, though. I'd say the best arcade sport experience I've had from them recently was Punch-Out!!! for the Wii, which is another example of when and where motion controls can work wonderfully. Also, the characters have that perfect balance of not being Mii's/Nintendo Characters but also being exaggerated and slightly cartoonish. That's probably my favorite style for their games.

Still, I disagree with your reasoning for why they're not selling well... they weren't selling well because they were exclusive to a failed platform that only the more hardcore of Nintendo fans owned, and the primary market was gone. The Switch is a superior console in just about every way, and I can easily see these games selling again should the Switch actually prove to be a hit.

Most people I speak to have very fond memories of those games, they just aren't huge selling points on their own. That can be said for most games outside of Zelda and Mario, though.

Is there really a big market for "motion" games? Which one was the last one to be a big hit? Anything in the last 5 years?

I'm with you otherwise.

IMO keep all that Wii/Touch Generations stuff away from the Switch for a while. Let the system establish it's own identity, it doesn't need to be overly associated with old fads.