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potato_hamster on 19 January 2017
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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

Who said anything about a 3D Mario game. I just said a Mario game. When was the home nintendo console that didn't launch with a Mario game? Well the Gamecube if you consider Luigi's Mansion to not be a Mario game, otherwise it was the NES. So yes, for a lot of people it was unexpected.

Whatever about the accessories. It doesn't make a real difference. The fact remains almost no one expected Nintendo's controllers to be more expensive than a PS4 controller.

As for Nintendo's online, sure it's be fucked up for a long time, but this time it appears that Nintendo's efforts with the Switch have actually regressed in terms of user friendliness and ease of use. No one expected a paid solution to be arguably worse than the paid solution Nintendo is currently offering.

Again 1-2 Switch is indefensible. Don't even try. No one expected that monstrocity, much less charging $50 for it. It would have been terrible as a pack in game. Instead it's going to sell 34 copies because there's not much else to play at launch, and 32 of those copies will be on eBay as soon as Mario Kart comes out. (Yes, I'm exaggerating how poorly this will sell)

See, games output doesn't actually indicate how the system is being supported internally and how much resources a company is putting into supporting it. You have no idea how many projects never see the light of day. You can't possibly know how well Nintendo is trying to support the 3DS vs the Switch and won't know it until Nintendo comes out and says the 3DS will no longer be supported like they just did with the Wii U.

Aside from that, they have Poochy and Yoshi's Wooly World, Fire Emblem Echoes, Mario Sports Superstars so far coming out this year (and we could easily see more coming in a new direct or at a conference). But still, that's the same amount of mainline titles that came out for the 3DS in 2014. So again, why do you think support is shifting away from the 3DS based on game output?

Wii didnt launch with a Mario title either, so 2 of their last 3 home consoles didnt have Mario at launch. 3DS didnt have Mario at launch so 2 out of 3 of their last systems in general didnt have Mario.

Agreed on accessories, they are more expensive than most expected. I think $40 for a Joy-Con, $60 for a pair, $60 for the Dock, $60 for a Pro Controller would be acceptable pricing.

Overall I agree and am not a fan of the paid online and certain aspects needing a phone is very odd.

Again, the general concept of a minigame compilation to show off various features was expected and always likely to happen. I'm not defending the game, just saying its existence is in no way a big surprise.

Again, I said based on what we currently know, things going on behind the scenes and future announcements can change everything. I simply said based on the things we currently know, it appears as though Nintendo's internal teams & subsidiaries are primarily working on Switch while 3DS is primarily getting outsourced titles.

Yoshi is by Good-Feel and if i recall correctly Mario Sports is by Namco & Camelot. Ever Oasis is by Grezzo. Some rumors/speculation state Pikmin 3DS is by Arzest but i havent seen anything that confirms that. None of those are internal studios or subsidiaries, they are 3rd party developers that Nintendo outsourced development to. The only currently known 3DS title that is by a Nintendo owned studio is Fire Emblem Echoes. Like I said, that could change but as of now 3DS has one game coming by Nintendo studios while Switch has 7 (Zelda, 1-2 Switch, ARMS, MK8 Deluxe, Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2, Mario Odyssey).

You're totally right. Sorry about that. I just mistakenly assumed both the Wii and 3DS had mario launch titles that I never even bothered to check.

Your accessory prices are far more reasonable, but even the dock at $40 considering it's barely more than a USB to HDMI passthrough selling for $60 still feels steep.

To be clear, I'm not surprised at all that Nintendo has a mini-game selection that is launching with the Switch. I'm surprised that game is 1-2 Switch and everything that 1-2 Switch is. I figured it would be something like Wii Sports that was easy to pick up, easy to play, had an incredible amount of polish, was a huge amount of fun at parties, and most importantly, highlighted the console's strongest points. Instead we got Nintendo's version of the shake-weight.

As for your 3DS samples, my bad. I didn't know Nintendo pawned of some of their iconic IPs to third parties as much as they do. I assumed that because Nintendo was publishing it and it was a Nintendo IP, Nintendo was making it. My bad.