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CGI-Quality said:
Mummelmann said:

I think people are overestimating GT at this point, the series has been getting a lot of flack from fans for being behind on tech, not fixing audio, using really dated models, removing content, poor multiplayer etc. Metascore has fallen with each installment and sales have gone down ever since GT3, to the point where GT6 is set to sell about 1/4 of GT3, on about 60-65% of the installed base, the series has clearly lost traction. The sales down from GT5 are more than halved as well, this is extremely telling of the waning relevance of the series.

Eh, GT6 isn't the best indication of a serious decline (mainly due to when it released). The sales of everything after GT3 is also a little fickle, because while GT4 sold less than it, GT5 outsold GT4. On top of that, GT3 is the worst one to use as it was bundled far beyond any of the other releases (hence the spike).

GT Sport isn't a mainline release (though I agree that its launch and LTD is critical for the series). It'll be the first GT released this gen, so that will be the best time to start judging where the series could be headed.

In terms of GT's selling power, there could be some overestimating going on, but because of series' like The Last Of Us and Uncharted, Sony no longer has just one mega series like that. So GT doesn't need to pack quite the punch of past generations.

Good points, but wasn't GT5 also heavily bundled?

I think UC has more selling power than GT today, fans of the series are kinda pissed with the direction, or rather lack of direction, the series has taken and for younger and newer fans, games like GT are simply too boring. That's the challenge with making a racing sim; it's unlikely to have as large an audience as a simpler, more arcade-like game, in most cases. The reason the GT series has done so well is probably scope and the relative lack of proper competition, there really haven't been many realistic racing games besides the rally genre, ever since GT released in the 90's.

Personally, as a huge fan of the series since the beginning, I'm very disappointed in both GT5 and GT6, they're not bad games by any stretch of the imagination, but they're no longer fantastic, as one has come to expect of GT games.

PS: I was disregarding games like GT Sport, the prologues and GT HD, for instance. Mainline only. And the series has undoubtedly lost a lot of relevance over the years.