Donald Trump plainly admits to lying about his central campaign promises.

[Mr Puggsly]

BMaker11 said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Here's the reality, illegals fear Trump and wanted HIllary. If you wanna argue their logic is wrong and they should fear Hillary, fine. But the fact is illegals wanted Hillary in office.

I'm not sure what your point about Reagan is. Yeah... he pushed amnesty and millions of illegals benefitted from it. Arguably a mistake given it encouraged more to come and the country hasn't enforced immigration laws properly.

From my understanding immigration spiked to 12 million in 2007. Not sure what caused that spike. But prior to that it was averaging 11 million. So Obama broke records of throwing out illegals... to simply get us back to 11 million. Okay, its an accomplishment but it seems like many illegals came hoping Obama would give them amnesty.

So let me put it this way. When you here Obama threw out a record number of illegals, it sounds incredible. But when you see it just went from 11 million, to 12 million, and back to about 11 million, its not that incredible.

I would like some proof that illegals "fear" Trump. As much as people during to campaign liked to say "Trump has hired thousands to work at his properties", who do you think it was, mostly, that he hired??? Sure, you've got little kids caught up in the political rhetoric thinking Trump is going to "take their mommy and daddy away" but to the adults? As much as the Republican rhetoric contradicts it, they love illegals! It's how they take advantage of tax loopholes and keep wages low so they maximize profits. 

My point about Reagan was just a foundation of your idea of "illegals fear Republicans" being false. Reagan is supposedly the "father of modern day conservatism" and what did he do? Give millions of illegals amnesty. Forget the rhetoric and hypotheticals of "who would do what"......Reagan's amnesty is on the record. That is something that is tangible, not Trump stirring the pot with his words (which he has done a 180 on most of his promises anyway).

And lastly, all you're doing now is refusing to give credit where credit is due. Illegal immigration was rampant for years, thanks to Reagan's amnesty policy and HWs extension. And Bush II's guest worker program helped contribute as well. It wasn't until Obama that a downward trend started. Considering that Republican policies did nothing but increase illegal immigration more and more, the fact that the Obama administration was able to take a decades long trend and start flipping it is pretty damn incredible. But, as you've said in prior comments, no matter what positive thing he does, it's not "good enough" for you. You only care that it's "back to 11 million", so it's no big deal. You ignore that a downward trend has taken place. In fact, if the trend continues, well....Obama is out of office, so it'll be under Trump's administration. So you'll give Trump all the credit for Obama policies that reduced illegal immigration, won't you? 

Heh, so you think illegals fearing republicans is just media spin? Okay, think what you want.

A lot of Mexican people love Reagan solely for amnesty, but its not a reflection of how illegals feel about the republican party. Now if Trump pulled amnesty after accomplishing some goals like putting up a wall and going after sanctuary cities, that could change how hispanic communities feel about him.

I gave Obama credit, I said it was an accomplishment. But what Obama did is merely a step in the right direction, he hasn't made the efforts I want and MAYBE Trump will execute on that. Atleast he says he will.

For me to be happy and give credit to Trump, he needs to be much better than Obama at creating jobs and reducing the illegal immigration problem. If he fails at that, then he may be just another mediocre president. You left wingers have already reached a verdict on Trump, but I'm curious to see what he does.