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Mummelmann on 18 December 2016
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naruball said:
Mummelmann said:

Well, is there such a huge difference? It it better to lie and then not come clean? The vast majority of campaign promises are lofty and unlikely to come true, and those who make them know this full well. Trust me, I'm no Trump fan, far from it, but at least he admits to speaking BS, this is part of the reason why he won at all.

I dislike politicians in general, it seems like regardless of party and affiliation, corruption and egocentrical thinking becomes the norm. Like in Norway recently, they had a vote on whether or not to double the severance pay for politicians who have served in office, from one year to two years, average severance pay being in the order of about 100-120.000$, the Social Democrats, Left, Progress Party (populist right) and Christian Peoples Party voted for, almost all of them, that's a really widespread agreement on unjust and unfair terms for the most overappreciated profession in the world, most of these folks have never held a real job in their lives.

It's the same in Sweden, the right pretends that it's simply a question of future economical concern and the well being of their fellow citizens when they opposed almost any immigration, and the left preaches anti-hatred, anti-violence and tolerance and then turn out to be both violent, intolerant and hateful.

In short; politicians are assholes, Trump is also an asshole but at least he's open about it, which makes him easier to oppose and disect... I guess that's my point. Or something.

I get what you're saying and I've experienced that in my country, too. So, don't worry. I agree with you. I just don't agree with the notion that all politicians are assholes (most of them are, but I think men like Obama weren't, while H.Clinton was) and with the whole "at least they were honest". I judge them by their actions. Not by their promises. A person killing x person and being upfront about it is no better than B person killing x person and trying to hide it. At the end of the day the result is the same.

As for Trump (I know you don't like him, but still), he was anything but honest/straight forward. But even if he had been, it's with his actions that I have problems, e.g. his cabinet.

The man is clearly building a trainwreck of a cabinet, no doubt. Obama is charismatic, his major problem has been opposition on legislation. Still, he's succeeded more than I thought he would, I only wish he managed to steer the foreign policies more into friendly territory (literally and figuratively). Here in Scandinavia, the biggest issue since the late 80's is coalition governments, tiny parties with very low figures get major influence by pressuring themselves into office on account of their weight being needed to shift a majority. At one point, around 2000, a party with a little over 4% managed to snag the prime minster post, it was their condition for joining the cabinet (which consisted of Right, Left and Christian Peoples Party... what a mess).