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Slimebeast on 16 December 2016
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Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Yes it is, that is a big factor. As I said, I'm fine with casts being somewhat adapted to the global, multiracial and multicultural audience so that everybody feels included (in most movies, but as I said earlier, not in movies where authenticity is important, like in historical epics or say a movie that takes place in a homogenous society like Japan). It's a balance. But if that would be the main the motive, then I'm fine with it. You must be sensitive about quotas.

For the fifth time: my claim is, and I'm not the only one, is that the cast of Star Wars is chosen in order to make a statement. It excludes white men on purpose. That's the basis for my whole complaint, but it's so fucking dishonest of you to completely ignore it. What does it cost you to say "Slimebeast, don't worry I get your point, but.."?

You can't demand that I declare a timeline for when minorities are allowed in such and such proportions in big movies, because that's not what my complaint was about. I am complaining that in the new Star Wars movie, it's obvious that the cast has been chosen with a multicultural brainwashing leftist agenda in mind, on purpose excluding white men from leading good guy roles. That's my complaint. I'm not proclaiming that I exactly know how casts should be universally decided for all eternity.

Do you think white people, asians and other disadvantaged races should be better represented in the NFL, MLB and NBA too because we feel sorry for them? The players in those leagues don't represent the American or global audience at all.

Colored people are allowed already. Don't put words in my mouth. I can't predict the future. Just don't quote them in too heavily, that's what I'm saying, because it will come naturally. Quotas create discrimination. When there's enough talented minority actors in the recruiting pool we will also see an increasing amount of minorities represented in the movies, I am sure of that.

Your style of argumentation really bothers me because you have a strong tendency to twist everything and make it sound bad. But I still think I won this discussion, my arguments are more convincing than yours.

1.) You are the one who seems to want a quota, the quota being there must be a white male lead or it's holding down the white man or some such. Is that not like the dictionary definition of a quota?

2.) Casting is only a statement when it involves minorities, right? So when there's a movie with an all-white/mostly white cast, that isn't a statement. It's only a statement if it's a colored person in a role that could be given to a white guy, then it's a statement/agenda. But if it's the opposite, then there's no agenda. Do I got that about right? 

3.) So basically you can't have a Star Wars film with a non-white lead, or at least heavy white male representation. Correct? Otherwise it isn't "Star Wars". 

4.) I'm sure the NBA executives would bend over backwards and kiss their own asses to have a new Larry Bird or Yao Ming to market. Such a player would be a marketing bonaza. They would love to have that. Problem is even white/asian fans don't want to see sub-standard athlete. 

Acting on the other hand is far more subjective. Is Megan Fox among the 20 greatest actresses in the world? Would it be impossible to imagine a scenario in which a Asian or black person could come in and read better than a Hayden Christensen or Mark Hamil? Is Tom Cruise better at his craft than probably 1000 others? No. 

Because unlike sports, which is a relaively specialized physical field, acting/emotion/being a "human being" can be done by quite frankly a fairly large range of people. You see all the time that a newbie actor or untrained kid is in a movie next to trained professionals and they are every bit as natural or even more natural. 

Good luck finding someone off the street with no training who can just play in the NBA or NFL. 

1. I never demanded that the lead actor (in singular) should be a white male or anything near that sort. Learn to read.

2. In Hollywood today I doubt they're making any movies with a full white cast for that reason, to make a statement against multiculturalism. But if they were, it would be just as bad as the Rogue One situation. So if you have an example where you believe the cast is all white because of a political agenda, please show me and we'll evaluate it.

3. No, I never said that. I even implied the opposite, that in the scenario in these movies about a distant future, it is very likely that mankind has become multicultural and the proportion of white people would be relatively low. If the creators would want to represent that future in order to make the movie feel more authentic I wouldn't have any problem with that. And like I said, that could very well be one of the actual reasons for the makeup of the cast in Rogue One, but it's unfortunately not the main reason. The main reason is a political agenda, and that's what I'm criticizing.